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**Cloda** · 07-05-2011, 06:50 AM

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Fantastic 4

Major Scoring glitch: At the end of the Human Torch mission, if you drain the Nova Flame Ball as soon as its activated, you get a 40x multiplier for your end of ball bonus.

Game Breaking: During Dr. Doom mission, if you shoot an unpowered ball up the Dr. Doom ramp and you have Negative Zone ballsave activated the table can freeze. Alternatively once the Negative Zone ballsave has been used and the table doesn't freeze, it can't be reactivated for the rest of the game.

Game Breaking: With both shields activated as well as the NZ ballsaver the ball falls down the middle and the portal opens but rather than the ball getting pulled into the portal it goes behind one of the shields where it gets stuck. The ball disappears/sink into the table behind the shield, the portal is still open, the table is flashing very brightly and all the characters is doing their normal thing. The ball doesn't get reset and you can't tilt the table so your only option is to restart the game. It was reported happening during the Doombots mission and getting stuck behind the right shield but it is assumed that it can happen during other situations as well.

Bug: If you play the Human Torch mission last and drain you Nova Flame ball, the table resets and you have to restart all the missions again.

Bug: Whenever you hit the F-O-U-R skill shot, if you fail to hit another letter (popping up from bumpers below) before everything stops flashing, the letter stays lit and won't move with flipper presses. This usually lasts until the ball drains, making it more difficult to increase the bonus multiplier.

Bug: When failing the normal skill shot at first, but switching it while the ball gets bumped up, gets the multiplier light stuck.

Bug: After completing wizard mode, and you have the Gift of Thing active it sometimes wouldn't register hits to his blocker shield (all three) when you make contact with them. It makes the "rock" noise, but the shields won't drop.

Misfeature: If you play the Human Torch mission and complete it, the final mission hole is activated resulting in many of the targets/holes not being active during the Nova flame ball 40x score mode.

Misfeature(?): The amount of points being awarded for completing the Dr. Doom mission seems to be very few e.g. 2 million.

Misfeature: All the scores on the leaderboard ends with 000 - this makes it feel artificial and pointless. Suggested fix is to slightly change the points you get from the bumpers.

Ironman

Misfeature/Bug??: Having a kickback active and nudging the table right before it hit the repulsor beam can result in missing the kickback.

Mars

Bug: Can't see what letters are being entered while entering initials for the local leaderboard. Display is in the middle of the screen, but is not the typical Select-your-Letter screen but a screen showing your high score.

Bug: On activating "Sunstorm" the ball can become trapped for several seconds underneath the ship resulting in an automatic mode failure. The ball can at times also change rails from left to right/visa versa underneath the ship.

Ms. Splosion Man

Bug: During the splosion multi ball. After releasing the last captive ball or having a ball still captive and and draining the other balls at about the same time. There still remains 1 live ball left but the game counts it as a drain. Once the EOB bonus was awarded, a new ball was released to the plunger, the whole while I was still able to play and score with my live ball. After plunging the new ball I had a 2-ball multiball going with the table not registering as in any multi ball mode. The game did not count another drain until I had lost both balls.

Bug: The achievement for 100 Splodes is currently broken. It appears that you have to score many more splodes before you are awarded with the achievement.

Nightmare Mansion

Game Breaking: Sorry Zen, can't describe the exact circumstances, but I drained the ball after the (harsh) Witch Bonus noise played. Then the noise started repeating. There wasn't any obvious rhyme or reason to it: it would speed up, playing several times a second, then slow down to once every few seconds, then start up again. The Witch Bonus was advanced 50K each time. After it built to 1 million, I received an Extra Ball. And another Extra at 2.5 million. The noise petered out after the Witch Bonus had built to over 4 million.

Misfeature/Bug??: Unlike more modern tables, the "Shoot Again" light is not permanently lit when receiving an Extra Ball. Instead, we get "Ball 4", "Ball 5" etc on the DMD.

Misfeature/Bug??: There is no Status information displayed on the DMD when a flipper is held.

Misfeature/Bug??: If the Shoot Again light stops flashing while the ball is in a drain lane or trough, the ball is lost. There should be a grace period, as on more modern tables.

Misfeature/Bug??: No ability to change the (ugly) DMD color.

Misfeature/Bug??: Harsh, over-loud sound samples. Particularly the cat shriek and the bats squeals.

Pasha

Game Breaking: Ball disappear during guards mini-game. Player gets kicked back to main table with a new ball but the mini-game is still active. No other modes on the table can be activated and when you lose the ball no new ball appears - even if you Tilt the table. To reset the table you then need to quit the game so that the save is erased.

Paranormal

Game Breaking: During levitation multi-ball, a ball can get stuck on some of the tables structures. The ball doesn't reset even if you Tilt because the ball still slowly rolls making the game think that the ball is still in play. Some people have been able to dislodge the ball after many minutes of bumping the table.

Game Breaking: As the ball comes out of the haunted house and you hit it with the top flipper it can get stuck in a similar way to the previous game breaking bug.

Game Breaking: During levitation multi-ball it can happen when you use the magna save on the levitating ball that the game goes out of the mode but without the levitating ball dropping. When you lose your ball, the levitating ball still slowly moves from the screen as it normally does, but no new ball is launched. Under certain conditions a ball can get launched though after this happened for the game to continue.

Game Breaking: Either during or immediately after Levitation multiball jackpot there can be a very strange graphical effect. The surrounding area of the board grew dark, and it seemed almost as though the upper surface parts of the board faded out. It only lasted a few seconds. Afterwards things went back to normal. When I drained I ended up going into video mode and returned to the board with no ball reset. From there on I can nudge the board infinitely without consequence, the flippers all work, but I never get my third ball. It continues through a saved game as well, I can quit and come back and my board's in the same state.

Bug: At some point during a long game it can happen that the non lit holes on the cube stops working. When the balls goes in there, you don't get a clairvoyance reward (e.g. light extra ball) and the ball don't appear again. It gets relaunched a couple of seconds later.

Misfeature/Bug??: Many times when the ball gets to the cube it just runs past without first slowing down.

Misfeature/Bug??: All of a sudden, without any apparent reason, Tilt warnings disappeared. No voice or dmd indication. Some time later things can start to work properly again e.g. "Video mode"

Rocky & Bullwinkle

Scoring Glitch: One of the locked ball become stuck when locking them and never pops back into play, thus a three ball multiball is instead a two ball mutli-ball and, if you drain one, the jackpot lights remain lit and can be scored with a single ball until the original stuck ball becomes unstuck (Usually only requires a nudge of the table).

Misfeature/Bug??: No indication that ballsave is about to turn off. Ballsave should/could flash faster for a few seconds before turning off.

**Cloda** · 07-05-2011, 06:52 AM

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Rome

Game Breaking: During Romulus multi-ball the "Scale of Justice" mission start when it shouldn't. The game is not aware that you have two balls so the camera goes back to normal view. When you lose one of the balls, the game reacts as if you lose a normal ball and takes you back to the plunger, ignoring the other ball. The new ball that launches and then you are back to the 2 ball multi ball... but same as before, if I lose 1 ball, the game ignores the 2nd one.

Game Breaking: At some point during a game when you choose between "justice" or "mockware", choosing "justice" you can find that nothing happens, the ball disappear, and you can't do anything except restart the game.

Bug: During Wizard Mode in Rome there can be a problem with the "Scales of justice". The left scale is lowered while it shouldn't be. The ball falls all the time and when it happens, a new ball is launched so the game can keep going.

Bug: Upon activating the trebuchet, the ball can "fall out" of the rails leading to the weapon. This can leave the camera stuck off to the left side.

Bug: During Western Garrison multiball : if you shoot two balls at the same time (or one very quickly after another) into the charged portal, the game will still give back only one ball (instead of two), thus immediately stopping the mission and coming back to regular game.

Misfeature/Bug??: During a multi-ball, with the right kickback activated 2 balls can go into the right kickback at the same time. The kicker doesn't have enough power to get both balls back in play and this continues (scoring points) until you nudge the table.

Sorcerer's Lair

Bug: Immediately following the "Behind the Wall" mission table bump doesn't work which can lead to a drain if you want to do a flipper pass e.g. to immediately start the Midnight Madness mode.

Misfeature: The Sharp Shooter Achievement is not only being awarded for achieving the required all spiders in 20 seconds during the Arachnid Mission. Most people have been awarded it at random times during the game... some not even having completed the Arachnid Mission once.

Misfeature: The table doesn't have an audible tilt warning only visual.

Misfeature: Often times when you light the Extra Ball light for the second time with the same ball there is no audible indication. Scoring that Extra Ball then is also often not announced.

Misfeature: Sometimes the Jackpot does not register when you hit Whisper. Even with a completed shot.

Spiderman

Game Breaking: During Doc Ock mission, Doc will mistakenly grab the capture ball instead of a live ball. When this happens, Doc will never release the ball (The few times it happened to me the ball was in one of the left claws). You can continue the game, but eventually when you drain the ball the game will become stuck and won't start a new ball. Only choice is to restart the game.

Game Breaking: Both Goblin and Ock battles were active, Ock grabbed my silver and pumpkin balls at the same time I hit the apartment with the 2nd pumpkin ball. Doc Ock grabbed 2 of my balls and held the silver ball indefinitely, but released the pumpkin bomb. So Ock held 1 silver, had another silver in play from the captive ball which the pumpkin bomb replaced, and 1 live pumpkin ball. I timed out on Goblin and my live pumpkin ball vanished leaving 1 silver ball in play and 1 held by Ock with the pumpkin bomb still acting as the captive ball up top. I then hit the apartment and it released the pumpkin ball and I was playing with that for a while.

Finally drained and the game just froze like I still had a ball in play. I think the game counted the ball Doc Ock was holding as "in play". I waited about 3 mins to see if it would reset itself and pop a new ball in play... It didn't and I was forced to restart my game.

Game Breaking: During a game, while on ball 2, Doc Oc grabbed a ball from the play field, and placed it on the right ramp. As the ball descended down towards the flippers, the dot matrix said "Game Over", the flippers went dead, and the ball fell down between the flippers. Note: I did not TILT.

Game Breaking: During a game, I was in a mode that had Doc Oc and Mysterio going simultaneously. Doc Oc grabbed a ball from the play field, and held it in his claw. Time ran out on the Mysterio mission, and the game was essentially stuck. I tried Tilting, exiting the game and resuming... nothing worked.

Game Breaking: Ball 1, GG level 2 with two pumpkin balls on the table and sent one of them straight up the right ramp (which was lit) I then lost the ball SDTM and at the same time sent the other pumpkin ball up the right ramp as well. The game just stuck, no end of ball bonus, unable to tilt the table I had to just end the game as nothing happened from just waiting

Game Breaking: Was playing level 2 GG and for some reason the others started in. Then, somehow, the captive ball got loose and I was multiballing with it for a long time. With the captive ball loose, I had serious troubles completing different parts. Getting the left webramp was near impossible. Going to the apartment would not drop the ball up top, but rather drop it on the right side by the flipper.

Bug: Defeated Doc Ock, yet his mode immediately restarted. Doc Ock didn't move back to his original position.

Misfeature: Was playing either the 3rd or 4th round of Doc Ock, hitting the centre ramp repeatedly for 500K each time. After a while of doing this, the Doc Ock theme music became really intense; double-time. When I finished the stage, the music persisted, and hung around for another five minutes or so, before suddenly stopping half-way during a Mysterio stage.

Misfeature: When you hit the far right hole that gives you a random upgrade (big score, all villians let loose, etc) a problem can occur if you hit it with two pumkin balls in a row. The game can keep on playing the hole's jingle non-stop until it is game over and you reset the game.

Misfeature: Reward Hole music and DMD sequence sometimes continues for an extended period. Seems to happen more often on very long games, particularly during the JJ Hurry Up.

Misfeature: If Doc Ock is activated while you activate Mysertio's mode, a Mysterio model can becomes stuck inside Doc Ock when he goes back to his prone position.

Street Fighter II

Misfeature: Sometimes the "ball saved" light doesn't light up during the beginning of a multiball. It still works, but you have no way of knowing it turned on, or when it turned off because the light never started blinking.

Wolverine

Bug: During "Fast Ball Special", if your ball drain while ball save is activated, the relaunched ball goes around the top and then straight down the middle with zero chance to save it as the ball has no drag on it to slow it down.

Bug: Sometimes, Claw Save doesn't let the ball settle long enough before launching it back on to the playfield, with the result that the ball hits the underside of the flippers, resulting in a drain

Bug: Teeter-totter/diverter on centre ramp (activate Silver Samurai lock ramp) was "stuck in the middle" and would not allow any shots to be successfully completed. Diverter eventually was bumped back into a proper position after several (5-10) failed ramp shots. Diverter operated normally for the remainder of the game.

Misfeature: In common with other Zen tables, a kickback will be detected if a ball gets past the bottom flippers and rolls up the side of the tables in to the Kickback area. The ball will be magically teleported to the kickback location, and kicked out. (This is good for the player, but exposes the man behind the curtain.)

Misfeature: Wolverine says "Clever!" even if you miss the death save.

Misfeature: You can get 5 extra balls per real ball, compared to 3 on the PS3 version.

Misfeature: The left kickback sometimes kicks the ball directly in to the right outlane!

Misfeature: Occasionally, the ball will be ejected from the SNIKT saucer immediately, instead of after a short delay.

Misfeature: After the third (or fourth?) wizard mode, the "Danger" and "DANGER" warnings no longer appear on the DMD, and the danger sound fx do not play.

Other

Bug: On several tables during Hotseat play, the tables fail to reset between players. e.g. on SotD with a 2 player hotseat game player 2 can start with the sub advanced and lights lit from player 1's game.

Bug: Not a table bug but a forum bug. You can't upload jpeg images as they are not recognised by the system.

Misfeature?: Physics is possibly different on orginal elite 360(1080i via HDMI) vs slim 360 (1080P via HDMI) see thread. http://forum.zenstudios.com/showthread.php?p=13117 e.g. On captain america table, on the new Xbox, the ball won't capture on the right flipper when starting a mission.

**Nekro Neko** · 07-05-2011, 07:52 AM

Don't forget about Spiderman's bugs. Like the Doc Ock claw one and the captive ball bug when it switches place with a pumpkin bomb. I'd also add gamebreaking exploits into that list like JJJ's levels helping you with the orbits and such. Nice thread mind you.

**Babbylonian** · 07-05-2011, 03:58 PM

I'll throw out another Fantastic 4 bug: Whenever I hit the F-O-U-R skill shot, if I fail to hit another letter (popping up from bumpers below) before everything stops flashing, the letter stays lit and won't move with flipper presses. This usually lasts until the ball drains, making it more difficult to increase the bonus multiplier.

**UranusIsBroken** · 07-05-2011, 05:10 PM

A suggestion, as I've made in other threads.... Try to keep the tables in alphabetical order as you edit and add information to your initial post. It'll make locating information significantly easier for you, us, and Zen.

**Womble** · 07-05-2011, 11:05 PM

Captain America

Bug - the view can incorrectly zoom out during the Zemo's Castle mini-game if the ball hits the bottom of the mini-game.

See: http://forum.zenstudios.com/showpost...8&postcount=68

Bug - the Bucky Howler isn't awarded if you shoot the right ramp quickly after the skillshot.

Bug - Resistance mode: team members can go missing if you use the Cosmic Cube.

See: http://forum.zenstudios.com/showpost...9&postcount=69

Misfeature - there is no sound effect when Bucky saves you.

(BTW, I think CA is one of Zen's more polished tables. Most of these issues are pretty minor.)

Regarding the Supply Drop light, I wouldn't regard that as a bug. More a design choice. Since it's a fleeting opportunity, the onus seems to be on the player to notice it and react in time. (Having said that, I wouldn't mind a sound effect being added.)

**rapierdwit** · 07-06-2011, 03:52 AM

Buccaneer
10x Multiplier Light never comes on -According to the rule sheet, you hit the bumpers to advance the multiplier to X10. However, x10 NEVER gets lit, at least from hitting the bumpers. Not sure if it actually multiplies X10 for the End Of Ball Bonus but the cute little X10 light never lights up. I know someone is going to say, well, hit them some more but I have actually rolled over the "Hit the bumper XXX times for XXX,XXX points multiple times on one ball and X10 never shows his little face.

Agents - I have come across this glitch three times in the last day. During the Sniper Mission, the game decides to kick out the balls I have locked out before I complete in the mission. So, for instance, it may kick two out if I have two locked. Then, my next shot to the tanker will NOT lock in (and if I have any balls still in the tanker, will knock them out) and the Mission is STILL active with the UMD flashing "Lock Three Ball Into the Tanker!" It is then impossible to finish this mission....and impossible to start another one with this active, totally hampering any scoring.

Extreme - Ball gets stuck. Check out this video

Rocky & Bullwinkle
Multiball- One of the locked ball become stuck when locking them and never pops back into play, thus a three ball multiball is instead a two ball mutli-ball and, if you drain one, the jackpot lights remain lit and can be scored with a single ball until the original stuck ball becomes unstuck (Usually only requires a nudge of the table).

Mars - Just posted my best score on Mars and when I was prompted to enter my Initials for the local leaderboard, I could not see what letters I was entering, the display was in the middle of the screen but was not the typical Select your Letter screen but a screen showing my high score? Very odd. So, now my local leaderboard is held by some dude with the initials of GGG.

**gasfoodmurder** · 07-06-2011, 04:00 AM

I'm not sure if this is a "bug" perse so forgive me but on Captain America, 50% of my Assault Ramp shots end with the ball flailing off of the ramp rails and deflecting somewhere else on the table. I can't imagine that it was desinged that way and it's hampered quite a few of my games so far. Does this happen to anyone else?

**Womble** · 07-06-2011, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by rapierdwit View Post

Buccaneer
10x Multiplier Light never comes on -According to the rule sheet, you hit the bumpers to advance the multiplier to X10. However, x10 NEVER gets lit, at least from hitting the bumpers.

I could swear I've lit X10 through the bumpers on a number of occasions. I'll give it another try and see.

OTOH, I think this table is just plain broken.

Which is a shame, because it could have been a contender.

Mars - Just posted my best score on Mars and when I was prompted to enter my Initials for the local leaderboard, I could not see what letters I was entering, the display was in the middle of the screen but was not the typical Select your Letter screen but a screen showing my high score?

Yeah, I've had this happen too. One of the causes is when you manually change the camera angle during the skillshot picture-in-picure sequence. I think the camera modes get fubared.

**Cloda** · 07-06-2011, 05:15 AM

Thanks guys for the input (@ Womble thanks for the artistic direction

). I'll add everything and make the alphabetical and structural adjustments when I have a bit more time.

**Womble** · 07-06-2011, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by rapierdwit View Post

Buccaneer
10x Multiplier Light never comes on

My bad. You are quite right. I've been testing it and the light never comes on, at least not from the bumpers.

All the bumpers will do after X8 is increase your bumper score, and light Extra Ball. (Though this seems to be a bit random.)

Could have sworn it worked in Pinball FX 1...

Unfortunately, the table is a bit of a write-off. X8 is a doddle to build, and you can grind FRENZY multiball all day long. But it's not worth the effort, considering how small the Jackpot values are.

BTW, Earth Defense is another strange one. There doesn't appear to be an Extra Ball after getting X10. Sad panda face.

I'd like to see ED II one day. It's a great theme, just hampered by some bad design decisions (the flyover ramp, upper-left flipper, Invasion rules, the Subway system).

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I've just realised that Earth Defense's Bonus Multipliers go way up to X20! (At least on the "Multipliers" building sign.) But I can't get past X10 for the life of me. Are these higher multipliers used in the wizard mode??

**rapierdwit** · 07-11-2011, 03:13 AM

Speed Machine Kickback Glitch

Speed Machine - Kickback Glitch- Setting off the kickback will unlight any progress you have made toward lighting the ballsaver using the Inlane/Kickback rollovers. For Instance, if you have 2 lights/gears lit toward the Ball Saver and you use the kickback, it will Unlight those two lights. So, in order to light the ballsaver you must light all three gears again (to light/enable the kickback again) and then light all three one more time to enable the BallSaver.

**Cloda** · 07-11-2011, 05:28 AM

Sorry guys, haven't had chance yet to update and fix the post. Will get to it soon.

**jop87** · 07-11-2011, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Womble View Post

you can grind FRENZY multiball all day long.

Ive actually had the frenzy hole get glitched.. I was shooting it over and over again and the metal thing in front kept blocking it (sorry for the vague description, but u know what i mean

)

Ive also had the hidden path blockers get stuck on excalibur.. Which is really annoying as i love the easy video mode. + on excalibur the right orbit often doesn't count..

Spiderman ofc.. Dock ock keeps the ball locked forevah :-/

Agents sniper mission: got three balls locked but it didn't start the video mode. It just started multiball.. Mission was stuck. Also had the glitch mentioned above before.

F4 multiplier bug. When failing the normal skill shot at first, but switching it while the ball gets bumped up get the multiplier light stuck.

Ive actually mailed some of these bugs as well.. no reply though..

Nice thread btw. Too bad we need it

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