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    How are the pro scores on each table calculated. I'd read it went from 1/1000 and your score was the reverse of your leader board ranking but that doesn't seem to add up. For instance on one table I'm ranked 200 and something and my pro score points are in the 900s on that table.
    Barbie or anyone, if you know could you reply?
    Thank you
    Oh another question: What makes up the honor end of ball bonus I see on a lot of tables?
    Thanks again

    Hunter (SergioCosmopolis on PSN)
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  • #2
    On Zen Pinball 2, click on the "help" icon on the main menu. It goes into great detail on how the Pro Score is calculated.

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    • #3
      I can't give you the specific formula, but:

      * Your Pro Score for a table is scaled based off of the number of people who have scores in it. Getting Rank #500 will give you more Pro Score points if ten thousand people have played the table compared to only one thousand. (Which makes sense, because in the first example you're in the Top 5% and in the other you're in the Top 50%.)

      * A decent score will typically get you 900+ Pro Score (at least at this point, might be different in a month or two when more scores are entered compared to the first week). I have a Pro Score of over 23,000 (meaning I'm averaging over 880 Pro Score per table) but there are very few tables where my score is in the Top 100 players.

      * It's safe to say that the absolute highest score gets 1,000 and the absolute lowest score gets 1, but any other Pro Score value could be duplicated. There could be dozens or hundreds of players with a Pro Score of 500 on a popular table.

      * Your Pro Score isn't set in stone. If you stop playing for a few weeks then come back, you may find you've lost a considerable amount of Pro Score the next time you play because of all the people who have beaten your high score on various tables. (This may be offset by new people playing tables and getting LOWER than your high score - it's even possible for your Pro Score to INCREASE without doing anything from this.)


      As for specific "number crunching" involving Pro Score, you'd need someone that actually knows the code.
      Last edited by Peridot Weapon; 09-11-2012, 07:09 AM.

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      • #4
        Thanks for the answers. What I'm trying to figure out though is the formula used to calculate the pro score.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by hunter328 View Post
          Thanks for the answers. What I'm trying to figure out though is the formula used to calculate the pro score.
          Not sure it would do much good even if you had it, without knowing exactly how many people have played the table you're wondering about at that time.

          It's probably something similar to the idea of
          Pro Score = 1,000 - ((Current Leaderboard Rank) / (Overall Number of Players / 1,000))

          So if there's 10,000 people playing the table, and you're rank #883, you'd get
          1,000 - ((883) / (10)) = 911.7 = 911 (Rounding down to keep multiple 1,000 Pro Scores from happening.)

          And if you were rank #9,500, you'd get
          1000 = ((9500) / (10)) = 50

          The first place player would be the only one to "round up" to 1,000.

          Just an idea of a possible dynamic formula, probably nowhere close to the real thing.



          Another question - how does someone on the Pro Score leaderboard have a score over 26,000 at the moment? That's higher than the "maximum possible" right now. Either the system is broken or they're ironing out the bugs on the Fantastic Four table and leaving the rest of us unable to play it.

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          • #6
            I don't think 26000 is the ceiling.
            I'm pretty sure there is something else feeding into that. Maybe multipliers or additional points for how many tables you're in the top 10% how many in the top 100% etc...

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            • #7
              I always thought it was the 1000 - (Rank / No. Players) * 1000 formula, but I've just noticed there is a player with over 26,000 points. Considering there's only 26 tables available at the moment, that should be impossible... shouldn't it?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Metalzoic View Post
                I don't think 26000 is the ceiling.
                I'm pretty sure there is something else feeding into that. Maybe multipliers or additional points for how many tables you're in the top 10% how many in the top 100% etc...
                Technically, ALL tables you've ever played you're in the Top 100%.

                The in-game guide doesn't make reference to any "bonus" points being possible, and I certainly haven't seen any in my own experiences with the 26 tables I have. (Not that my performances have been Top 10 worthy or anything like that!)

                The maximum possible should be 1,000 Pro Score per table, which currently would be 26,000. The only ways to score higher would be having more tables (or some sort of glitch where the game thinks you have 27 or more). With only a single player breaking that plateau, it seems more likely to be an error than a deliberate bonus.

                [Edit: On the other hand, now that a SECOND person has an impossible score, I don't even know anymore. ]
                Last edited by Peridot Weapon; 09-11-2012, 11:16 PM.

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                • #9
                  Is the F4 table out in some parts of the world? That's all I can think of.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jeppo99 View Post
                    Is the F4 table out in some parts of the world? That's all I can think of.
                    Fantastic Four is not out on Zen Pinball 2 yet, it needed some extra work before we can release it. Should be out soon though!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Peridot Weapon View Post
                      Technically, ALL tables you've ever played you're in the Top 100%.

                      The in-game guide doesn't make reference to any "bonus" points being possible, and I certainly haven't seen any in my own experiences with the 26 tables I have. (Not that my performances have been Top 10 worthy or anything like that!)

                      The maximum possible should be 1,000 Pro Score per table, which currently would be 26,000. The only ways to score higher would be having more tables (or some sort of glitch where the game thinks you have 27 or more). With only a single player breaking that plateau, it seems more likely to be an error than a deliberate bonus.

                      [Edit: On the other hand, now that a SECOND person has an impossible score, I don't even know anymore. ]
                      I was thinking there was more to it because There is a guy on my List that has a Pro score of around 22000, but as far as I can tell he hasn't even played 22 tables... let alone placed in the top 1% on each one.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Metalzoic View Post
                        I was thinking there was more to it because There is a guy on my List that has a Pro score of around 22000, but as far as I can tell he hasn't even played 22 tables... let alone placed in the top 1% on each one.
                        Well, just to put it in perspective, I'm only Rank #375 on Plants VS Zombies at the moment, but still have 970 Pro Score from that performance. Getting 900+ Pro Score is fairly easy, especially in the more popular tables.


                        If I can believe the Vita (which makes it very easy to "speed scroll" to the bottom of the high score lists), there are about 12,500 people who have submitted scores for that table - so the "bell curve" is definitely biased towards giving high Pro Score values without needing a Top 100 performance.

                        The least-played table at the moment seems to be Sorcerer's Lair (with under 5,000 scores). I'm Rank #391 on that table and that's only worth 919 Pro Score, so as expected you'll get more points for a similar rank if more people have played the table.

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                        • #13
                          Barbie, I saw you posted above but didn't answer about how the scores are calculated so I'm guessing you don't know either. Would you be able to find out for us? Thank you!
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                          • #14
                            I've written down my Rank, Pro Score and Number of Players for each table (both for this project and so I'll know which tables I need to improve the most on).

                            I'll crunch the numbers when I have some time and see if there's some obvious correlation between how rapidly you lose points from your 1,000 Pro Score based off of rank and players. At first glance, it may be something similar to the formula I speculated on above, but I'll check to verify.


                            I also didn't realize my high score in Shaman was actually in the Top 100. Must have had a good fluke run that day! Whereas I gotta get my rear back to Blade, as I'm not even in the Top 2,000 on that!

                            I've also noticed that when I scored incredibly low (just trying to Tilt and end the table as quickly as possible so I could see my Pro Score), I'd often have a second high score at the very BOTTOM of the list. If the game sees these phantom scores and accidentally tallies both towards Pro Score, that might explain how people could have exceeded the maximum possible score of 26,000.
                            Last edited by Peridot Weapon; 09-13-2012, 10:24 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hunter328 View Post
                              Barbie, I saw you posted above but didn't answer about how the scores are calculated so I'm guessing you don't know either. Would you be able to find out for us? Thank you!
                              My understanding of Superscore is that you just add together your highest score on each table and round it to the nearest million. So if you combine your high scores and get something like 500,190,321 your superscore would be 500. Make sense?

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