Civil War thoughts and impressions!

[JOHNY--BRAVO]

its encouraging to see such a helpful community in a forum, i hope youtube will eventually get footage that will help me master this table, i keep checking but nothing yet.

[75hDeadMan]

I'm still very much of mixed opinions on this table. I think the Stanford Multiball is a very cool idea, though I agree with an earlier post that I think the score should be on a per-game basis, rather than an all-time-best kind of style. I like that this table caters to very skilled players as you need to make very precise and well timed shots. Though I seem to get stuck trying to gain allies, especially after the first wizard mode. Unless I'm just not understanding something, it seems next to impossible and you can really dig yourself into a hole. And I would also like some of the shots during the fights to be made clearer. I think someone mentioned this, but it can be very difficult to determine exactly where you need to shoot the ball, especially if you need to do it quickly because you're fighting a lot of enemies.

I know there are a few hardcore pinball junkies, so I'll ask this. Did anyone every play the Cybergirl table for Epic Pinball back in the day? I don't know why, but this table reminds me a lot of that table. Not saying that in a bad way, but it brought back a lot of good memories.

[shogun00]

I know there are a few hardcore pinball junkies, so I'll ask this. Did anyone every play the Cybergirl table for Epic Pinball back in the day? I don't know why, but this table reminds me a lot of that table. Not saying that in a bad way, but it brought back a lot of good memories.

I say the table reminds me of the Judge Dredd pinball machine, especially when it comes to the Stanford Multiball. Judge Dredd has a second game mode called "Super Game" (30 second mark). In this mode, you start off with a two ball multiball mission at the beginning of each ball.

[tenorhero]

Though I seem to get stuck trying to gain allies, especially after the first wizard mode. Unless I'm just not understanding something, it seems next to impossible and you can really dig yourself into a hole. And I would also like some of the shots during the fights to be made clearer. I think someone mentioned this, but it can be very difficult to determine exactly where you need to shoot the ball, especially if you need to do it quickly because you're fighting a lot of enemies.
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Getting allies is indeed tough after the first wizard mode for either hero. the key is those Safe House targets. Hitting them as CA lights either the right ramp or left orbit Gain Ally lights. shoot the lane that's lit in the amount of time granted (Usaully 15 seconds I think) They then disable a hero. You have to shoot safe or house targets in succession to disable a hero as IM. I think the DMD says shoot Safe or house

I mentioned this in an earlier post. Once wizard mode is done when playing Captain America, shooting those Safe House targets multiple times finds the hideout opening up a sinkhole. doing so will disable a hero. shooting that sinkhole provides you with a 3 ball multiball when you have a certain amount of time to hit one of the balls into the whirlpool lane. (Center Lane with the only bright blue circle/Whirlpool). It resets the timer when you get a ball into that lane/sinkhole. You can use this mode to disable up to 3 Enemies. If getting this mode and the heroes are neutral, The become your ally. It's a quick way to gain up to 3 allies thus I i find Iron Man easier to get to Wizard mode

-As CA Once you hit a drop target I suggest you hit the necessary Sinkhole area. It should show a flashing 'Flash' light. Do it twice and it will keep those targets down. When you clear the targets in front of the whirlpool, you have 15 seconds to shoot the whirlpool again and it turns into single ball mode. You need to shoot the Fight Lane, followed by a left orbit shot then try and get the ball into the sinkhole where the safe house targets are. Each lane shot will either give you and ally or make an enemy neutral. up to 3 heroes can become neutral or allies depending on how many shots you make up to 3.


Even with this info I still haven't managed to get to a second wizard mode. I'm still unsure how there are players with those high scores. There's something I'm not seeing or they are just that good. I think it has to do with the direct it light as I've seen scores that were 12m plus

[Jeppo99]

I find it easier with Iron Man to gain allies, but easier with Captain America to disable enemies, partly because that Safe House target is such a difficult and risky shot to make.

You can also gain allies by hitting the bumpers 40 times.

[snakeman07]

You can also gain allies by hitting the bumpers 40 times.

Oh? That's cool, just shoot the right orbit and nudge to the left or right when it gets to the bumpers then.

[tenorhero]

You can also gain allies by hitting the bumpers 40 times.

I can confirm this.

Finally got a second wizard mode and a third one. Second one scores 4.5m max per jackpot 3rd score 6M max per jackpot. Each time you get to a wizard mode, jackpot ramps up in values. Pretty cool.

Clodas suggestion helped as I focused on getting extra balls by maxing out the multipliers and by doing the 'Direct hit' option. With either hero when you get the direct hit, get the ball all the way to the top right flipper and shoot the invisible/flash ramp. Thor says something than it tells you that you need 2 more for extra ball.

I think I see what Cloda had mention. And I think it's 'Spammable' only if you perfect the shots. Still need to time it right etc. I didn't exploit it as I was really determined to get to a second 'Wizard' Mode.

Even though this table can be unforgiving with many of the shots, It's still one of the best that Zen has produced. Love the difficulty of it, and the intricacies of how each hero disables and gains heroes to their side.

[Cloda]

I can confirm this.

Finally got a second wizard mode and a third one. Second one scores 4.5m max per jackpot 3rd score 6M max per jackpot. Each time you get to a wizard mode, jackpot ramps up in values. Pretty cool.

Clodas suggestion helped as I focused on getting extra balls by maxing out the multipliers and by doing the 'Direct hit' option. With either hero when you get the direct hit, get the ball all the way to the top right flipper and shoot the invisible/flash ramp. Thor says something than it tells you that you need 2 more for extra ball.

I think I see what Cloda had mention. And I think it's 'Spammable' only if you perfect the shots. Still need to time it right etc. I didn't exploit it as I was really determined to get to a second 'Wizard' Mode.

Even though this table can be unforgiving with many of the shots, It's still one of the best that Zen has produced. Love the difficulty of it, and the intricacies of how each hero disables and gains heroes to their side.

Well done with reaching it three times! To hear how the scoring progress makes me even more sad that there is this easily spammable opportunity. Trust me... its got nothing to do with "direct hit" and it is much more straight forward

[tenorhero]

Well done with reaching it three times! To hear how the scoring progress makes me even more sad that there is this easily spammable opportunity. Trust me... its got nothing to do with "direct hit" and it is much more straight forward

So is it a 1 shot or combo based? Not sure if hitting Righ Sinkhole after getting extra ball for 4m a pop risk free.

Something interesting to note. I don't' recall what side I was playing but I did notice after getting both kickbacks and you shoot the left sinkhole 4 times, The jet bumper bonus goes up. So each jet bumper hit is is increased by the bonus amount. It starts at 10k then ramps up by 10k each time you do it.

[Dicepticon79]

Rescueing & evacuating 10 Civilists durring the Manford Multiball does not give a Allie, the Rulesheet says it should.... any others reconized that ?
The Throwout from the Shieldsinkhole ends in a Sidedrain very often, no matter if i hold the right Flipper up or down to catch the Ball... it is little ironic if you have to shoot the Shieldsinkhole to get a Kickback & getting drained , because of the missing Kickback --> for what you made the Shot
But i really like that Table , awsome Job Zen....

[Rafie]

Rescueing & evacuating 10 Civilists durring the Manford Multiball does not give a Allie, the Rulesheet says it should.... any others reconized that ?
The Throwout from the Shieldsinkhole ends in a Sidedrain very often, no matter if i hold the right Flipper up or down to catch the Ball... it is little ironic if you have to shoot the Shieldsinkhole to get a Kickback & getting drained , because of the missing Kickback --> for what you made the Shot
But i really like that Table , awsome Job Zen....

I noticed that, but I didn't think it was a big deal. Hmph!! Well I still love this table.

[caper_26]

I find this table slow & boring. sorry. Not a big fan.

[Bearded_Warrior]

I noticed that, but I didn't think it was a big deal. Hmph!! Well I still love this table.

Rafie, that av and sig are bad ass. You will from this point forward be referred to as The Badassador of the Zen Forums

[Rafie]

Rafie, that av and sig are bad ass. You will from this point forward be referred to as The Badassador of the Zen Forums

Hahaha I'm glad you like it. At least it isn't Captain Planet or She-Ra! Although I'm still thinking of getting the Captain Planet....

[snakeman07]

Hahaha I'm glad you like it. At least it isn't Captain Planet or She-Ra! Although I'm still thinking of getting the Captain Planet....

Merry Christmas LMAO