Slightly burned out on Marvel tables...

[shogun00]

Table price went up? I swore individual tables were $2.99 when I first got ZP, I know they were $2.99 when I got ZP2.

I can see where the confusion is coming from. All of the tables that were on ZP1 and MP were transferred over to ZP2 with the same price tag. All ZP1 add-ons are $2.49, while the table packs (4 tables each) are $9.99. The $2.99 price wasn't introduced until F4 released out on MP. All individual tables (F4, CA, PvZ and Civil War) since then have been releasing out for $2.99.

It should be noted that NobbNutts lives in Europe and prices there could be different from the US.

[bcduggan]

I don't mind the odd Marvel table, but I agree this subject has now received enough attention from Zen and it is time to move on. Zen will have artistic constraints on how they represent the games when dealing with this franchise, plus there will be numerous royalty payments they need to pass on to the gamers for something they may or may not be interested in. Civil War is the most expensive single table to date, and while it remains good value it seems fairly standard Zen fare to the non Marvel fan.

Table price went up? I swore individual tables were $2.99 when I first got ZP, I know they were $2.99 when I got ZP2.

[shogun00]

Civil War is the most expensive single table to date, and while it remains good value it seems fairly standard Zen fare to the non Marvel fan.

No, it isn't! Captain America, Fantastic Four and Plants vs Zombies are also at the same price. The price increase is across the board. All future individual tables will be be the same way. Table Pack are exception to the rule, since you are buying a bundle.

[Space-Walk]

I don't mind the odd Marvel table, but I agree this subject has now received enough attention from Zen and it is time to move on. Zen will have artistic constraints on how they represent the games when dealing with this franchise, plus there will be numerous royalty payments they need to pass on to the gamers for something they may or may not be interested in. Civil War is the most expensive single table to date, and while it remains good value it seems fairly standard Zen fare to the non Marvel fan.

Nice input.

[NobbNutts]

I don't mind the odd Marvel table, but I agree this subject has now received enough attention from Zen and it is time to move on. Zen will have artistic constraints on how they represent the games when dealing with this franchise, plus there will be numerous royalty payments they need to pass on to the gamers for something they may or may not be interested in. Civil War is the most expensive single table to date, and while it remains good value it seems fairly standard Zen fare to the non Marvel fan.

[shogun00]

Instead ZP2 has been delayed for weeks. Why? Because it had to do with the PS Store and the import tool wasn't perfect. Of which, if I may, I should say that it is totally a waste of time. I just restored my hdd since it failed a couple of months ago and I received the replacement just a couple of days ago (I am still downloading games, actually). And so I had to redownload all ZP2 tables. What's the point of the import tool? It is much faster to put all games in the trolley from the PS Store and then download them in once. In background. With the import tool one has to import them one by one, waiting for each one to be downloaded. Crazy.

Well, there are two parts to the Import Feature. One part is in the game itself and the other is on the backend of the PSN. You know, the part where it recognizes that you purchased the previous version of the table(s) and marks the ZP2 version as Free. That was probably the part that wasn't working correctly. Heck, it didn't work properly for the Fantastic Four table.

[Michelasso]

but come on! have you ever seen a game filled with more bugs than any of zen's?

Caper.. Sorry. But what in hell are you talking about?

Did you ever ever touch a a Bethesda RPG? Fallout 3, Fallout NV, Skyrim! Especially the last one killed my PS3's filesystem at least half a dozen times. They glitch, they freeze the PS3, they exit to the XMB. The frame rate drop can get horrible, 1 fps, the game save of a guy raised up to 92MB. Some missions do not end and.. I could keep going on for all night!

Compared to that Zen games are as aseptic as an hospital. Never had a freeze, for example. All bugs I had are minor glitches.

Nope! Sony's certification only focuses on harmful bugs or bugs that have the potential to be harmful. Amy is a great example of a buggy game, but it still past since none of the bugs are harmful to the system..

Harmful to Sony, though. I am pretty sure at this point that Sony certification doesn't give a heck about how a game performs. I believe they are only interested about how it can make an hole in the system, to allow the installation of unauthorized code, mess up with other thing PSN related. Otherwise Skyrim would have never ever passed the certification. That game has been really a joke.

Instead ZP2 has been delayed for weeks. Why? Because it had to do with the PS Store and the import tool wasn't perfect. Of which, if I may, I should say that it is totally a waste of time. I just restored my hdd since it failed a couple of months ago and I received the replacement just a couple of days ago (I am still downloading games, actually). And so I had to redownload all ZP2 tables. What's the point of the import tool? It is much faster to put all games in the trolley from the PS Store and then download them in once. In background. With the import tool one has to import them one by one, waiting for each one to be downloaded. Crazy.

[Thirdrail]

I have stopped purchasing Pinball Arcade table packs, as with each new update, they seem to fix a bunch of things and go a break a whole load more.

Farsight is at least partially to blame for my Marvel burn out. If The Pinball Arcade weren't a clunky, half broken, cell phone game (that seems to be taking place in lunar gravity) there would still be a Yin to Zen's Yang. Instead it's basically Zen Pinball 2 or go find a real pinball table somewhere.

[Bearded_Warrior]

...have you ever seen a game filled with more bugs than any of zen's? ZP1, Marvel, ZP2... bugs bugs bugs, the worst being game-ending glitches.

I gotta stick up for Zen here. Not because there aren't any bugs/glitches, there are, but I have seen way worse and seen them on Sony's AAA titles. God of War 3 locked up, froze, had Kratos walk through walls, get stuck on walls, and even had a glitch that made a new game + possible when it shouldn't have been that was later patched while the bad bugs were left untouched o_O

The new Twisted Metal that launched earlier this year was a freaking nightmare, especially online multiplayer. I ended up trading it in after two weeks it was so bad. Even the LEGO LOTR game I bought last week had to be reset twice already because of stupid bugs. I've only had one game-breaking glitch on Zen/Marvel pinball and that was on Infinity Gauntlet after ZP2 launched.

[shogun00]

oh wow... that is unacceptable and someone should have to answer to Sony for that, or it shouldnt have been released in the first place. Isn't there some sort of standard that has to be met or can anyone just release a bug filled game?

Nope! Sony's certification only focuses on harmful bugs or bugs that have the potential to be harmful. Amy is a great example of a buggy game, but it still past since none of the bugs are harmful to the system.

The ball through flipper glitch on Pinball Arcade doesn't happen often, but it does happen occasionally. It's an emulator issue, because PinMAME (PC) suffers from the same thing from time to time.

[Piccalilli]

Compared to The Pinball Arcade it is. Seriously, the Vita version of Pinball Arcade has so many glitches, bugs and errors that it is near unplayable. And the best part is they seem to have absolutely zero interest in fixing any of it.

Yeah, as a Vita player it's pretty disheartening. The CV table is flat out unplayable. It was just one bug after another. I really hope TPA gets their glitches fixed soon, but I'm waiting for them to do so before buying any more tables.

While TPA is the single glitchiest game I've ever owned, I have to give honorable mention to the Lego games for a truly stunning assortment of glitches over the entire series. I remember having a recurring problem in the 3DS Harry Potter Years 5-7 where your character's spells would start shooting from random spots on the screen instead of the character's wand. It's pretty ridiculous watching your character him himself with a spell when he's aiming at a dementor across the screen. There was another glitch in that game that stopped me from collecting the last item I needed for getting 100% because Harry kept going through it instead of being able to touch it. There were other strange glitches all over the place too.

[iCub]

Compared to The Pinball Arcade it is. Seriously, the Vita version of Pinball Arcade has so many glitches, bugs and errors that it is near unplayable. And the best part is they seem to have absolutely zero interest in fixing any of it.

I have stopped purchasing Pinball Arcade table packs, as with each new update, they seem to fix a bunch of things and go a break a whole load more. I've never played such a bug filled console game before (I didn't buy Skyrim obviously). EU gets a raw deal too as we still have some of the bugs that were eradicated two versions ago in the NA release. I realise authentic emulation is a tricky business but they seem more interested in churning out new table packs instead of fixing the ones already released :-(

The developers just seem to be spreading themselves way too thin to cope and now they are talking about adding Wii U support and Windows Phone 8!!!

It's so disappointing as I love the concept of what they are trying to do.

[Rafie]

Yes! Play The Pinball Arcade and watch the ball go through the flipper X number of times. At least, when it comes to Zen the majority (98%) of the bugs are just minor. I can still play the table without fear of the ball going through the flipper.

+1+1+1+1+1+1 This is very true. I love TPA, but its most definitely the buggiest pinball I have ever played. I do play on both the 360 and PS3...oh and the new IPad. I can't count how many bugs I run into.

[caper_26]

oh wow... that is unacceptable and someone should have to answer to Sony for that, or it shouldnt have been released in the first place. Isn't there some sort of standard that has to be met or can anyone just release a bug filled game?

[shogun00]

but come on! have you ever seen a game filled with more bugs than any of zen's?

Yes! Play The Pinball Arcade and watch the ball go through the flipper X number of times. At least, when it comes to Zen the majority (98%) of the bugs are just minor. I can still play the table without fear of the ball going through the flipper.