Requests !

[Cloda]

Aww thanks


As far as I know, we have no plans to reset the scores. Like everyone said before, we've had our share of angry fans with previous resets, we don't want to do that again.

This is extremely painful to hear... I know I sound like a sour puss, but if only you can get some of the decent players on the leaderboards to betatest your tables then this whole debacle can be avoided. It is the same story over and over... since F4 on FX 2 at least. All the major bugs are found on this forum always within the first week and usually within the first couple of plays. Please let the guys think this over... its really becoming quite ridiculous for all the aspects of the table to be fine tuned for strategic playing and then it gets messed up by a stupid scoring imbalance.

[wims]

This is extremely painful to hear... I know I sound like a sour puss, but if only you can get some of the decent players on the leaderboards to betatest your tables then this whole debacle can be avoided. It is the same story over and over... since F4 on FX 2 at least. All the major bugs are found on this forum always within the first week and usually within the first couple of plays. Please let the guys think this over... its really becoming quite ridiculous for all the aspects of the table to be fine tuned for strategic playing and then it gets messed up by a stupid scoring imbalance.

I understand what you mean Barbie, and I know Zen has responsabilities. But I still agree Cloda.

For me, Zen's responsabilities begin when the table is out. When table is bugged (as it's often the case), it's not assume to let dust on leaderboards like that.

If you reset the rank one year later, as you did on R&B, with a very strange patch (cause gameplay is exactly the same before and after)... so ask yourself why you have complaints. It doesn't make sense.

But if you fix it quickly, players could understand better you have to reset the rank.

The right hole on Civil War is just another bug, I think it works with the ball save, and it stops when you got the 3 extraballs and you begin ball 2 : then you get 2,5 millions each 3 times with Iron Man (I think because you spell WAR). The table will become extremly hard when you'll fix it, so the leaderboard is playing at this moment. And the table will be forgotten after the patch.

I never played Fantastic 4 again on FX2, cause I play for the rank. I can tell I discovered (and really enjoyed) the table without the glitch on ZP2, with a "clean" rank.

To satisfy all players (casual and hardgamers), you really need more time to test your tables. You're still a small studio that develops very (too?) fast, and you have a lot of work. But if you get a bigger market with the reputation of a publisher who realised bugged games, you go straight into the wall.

... Then delegate. Many players could offer you this service, it's really a chance. Anyway you must find a solution, it can't be like that for every new table.

[ER777]

There is a compromise solution possible here. The game already has an alternate scoreboard feature built in for the tournaments. If a leaderboard reset is required the impact could be mitigated by copying the existing scoreboard into a tournament list and calling it something like "Prior Configuration Scoreboard". That would help stop people from feeling like their hard work was just erased while at the same time keeping the playing field fair for future scores.

I would note that as far as PvZ goes, most of the top scores were obtained during the tournament period anyway..

[ElMafioso57]

• Civil War could be an exceptional and strategic table. Full of great ideas. With just a ******* right hole, 8,5 million for a combo, the only way for hardgamers to enter the leaderboard. All your ideas disappear. It's like you created a blue and red rectangle with a sinkhole. My request : fix this, and reset the leaderboard. And please, don't organize any tournament if it's not fixed (as you did with Plants).

I agree whith wims , its just so ennoying make all time the same thing for be on leaderboard. How its possible a beta tester can't see this ?

[wims]

I would note that as far as PvZ goes, most of the top scores were obtained during the tournament period anyway..

Because the patch came a week after the tournement.

Thanks mafioso Me too can't understand how Zen could take so much care to design, graphics, music (love) and let big scoring bugs like this. I got the feeling to play Mahjong with a golden mouse.

Another solution is to make a leaderboard for each version : civil war 1.0, civil war 1.1 for exemple.

[ER777]

Because the patch came a week after the tournement.

I'm trying to support you here and you're not making it easy lol. The point is that the PvZ tournament scoreboard has already captured the majority of the high scores for PvZ, so if main leaderboard was reset its not like those scores would be completely lost.

Another solution is to make a leaderboard for each version : civil war 1.0, civil war 1.1 for exemple.

Agreed, that's very similar to what I said above. The functionality for a secondary (static) scoreboard that doesn't affect pro score already exists in the tournaments leaderboard section. So if they just copy the existing score list into a tournament board called "Civil War 1.0" they would be ready for a reset with minimal complaints with very little time and effort (and money) invested.

[maink]

if you fix a table , im ok to reset the leaderboards , makes sense to me

[bcduggan]

Hello Zen!

You know how I love everything you do, but I have some really urgent suggestions. Sorry for my english. To be honest, I've been waiting... praying a while for some of them, but nothing happens.

First you must realize there are two kinds of pinball players: casual and hardgamers. Casual players play a few games without necessarily trying to understand the strategy of the table and your ideas. Hardgamers, mainly to enter the leaderboard, as they played on a real machine, hoping to sign the table with their 3 letters (yeah I know, it's pathetic).

Ok, let's go !

• Civil War could be an exceptional and strategic table. Full of great ideas. With just a ******* right hole, 8,5 million for a combo, the only way for hardgamers to enter the leaderboard. All your ideas disappear. It's like you created a blue and red rectangle with a sinkhole. My request : fix this, and reset the leaderboard. And please, don't organize any tournament if it's not fixed (as you did with Plants).

• So Plants and its endless multiballs. Ok you still organized a tournament (the most annoying in your story), then fixed the bug a week later (only on ZP2). Request : you must fix it on PFX2 too, and reset leaderboards. Any interest to play it again, otherwise.

• Fantastic 4 has been fixed several months ago, after a year of waiting on Pinball FX2. Super! Request : reset the leaderboard to allow hardgamers access.

• Paranormal on FX2 : I heard a rumour, it will be fixed soon. So resquest : reset the leaderboard at the same time. Otherwise, no interest and you will do it for nothing.

What I mean, these four table have no more interest for hardgamers. In the future if you change the rules, leaderboards must also be reset. Even on a real machine, top 10 can be reset.

I know fixed patchs are expensive to upload on Sony and Microsoft... So please aware, take the time to fix bugs before releases. I prefer to wait, rather to play 5 games, discover bugs and no play at all. Please don't make the same mistakes as big editors, releasing bugged games on PC, then patches. Especially if your structure can't do it quickly.

I hope you understand these requests, many of us expect them. You really do a great job before production, I would like that would be the case also after. Your games deserve it !

If also fixes developers could be as nice and listening as Barbie...

Thanks !

First, from what I have seen from feedback from people on the site, the makers of the pinball tables do a good job of fixing the bugs. Sure, not all the bugs are fixed in a timely manner, but these guys do well in getting it fixed. They probably are much better some of the other companies games I play.

Second, I understand why you want the high scores reset. However, if you are playing and worrying about "seeing your name in lights", are you really having fun, and getting full enjoyment out of the game?

Third, unfortunately anything video game/cpu/cell phone related comes with bugs. Sometimes fixing a set of bugs opens new bugs up.

By your definition, I am a casual gamer, at least with pinball. I may never break the top 100 on any table, but that's not caused by bugs or anything like that. I lack patience when I play.

[ULTIME FAFA]

Bonjour à tous.

Je suis içi pour soutenir wims, je fais aussi partie des joueurs qui se battent pour le haut du tableau.
Les tables sont belles, avec de bonnes idees, mais parfois gachees à cause d'une erreur ou d'un bug !
La derniere en date est sur civil war, table qui semblait plutot agreable au depart et ou on en est reduit à viser le trou droit pendant des heures !
L' idee de beta pourrait etre une bonne solution.
En tout cas, j'aimerais reprendre du plaisir à faire un score, alors evitez les prochaines erreurs s'il vous plait !

[snakeman07]

Bonjour à tous.

Je suis içi pour soutenir wims, je fais aussi partie des joueurs qui se battent pour le haut du tableau.
Les tables sont belles, avec de bonnes idees, mais parfois gachees à cause d'une erreur ou d'un bug !
La derniere en date est sur civil war, table qui semblait plutot agreable au depart et ou on en est reduit à viser le trou droit pendant des heures !
L' idee de beta pourrait etre une bonne solution.
En tout cas, j'aimerais reprendre du plaisir à faire un score, alors evitez les prochaines erreurs s'il vous plait !

Hello to all.

I am here to support wims I am also part of the players who are fighting for the top of the table.
The tables are beautiful, with good ideas, but sometimes wasted due to an error or a bug!
The last is dated on civil war, which seemed rather pleasant table departing and one or is reduced to target the right hole for hours!
The idea of beta might be a good solution.
In any case, I would like to take the pleasure to make a score, then prevent yourself from future errors please!
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I think some sort of beta program would be awesome

[Rafie]

Hello to all.

I am here to support wims I am also part of the players who are fighting for the top of the table.
The tables are beautiful, with good ideas, but sometimes wasted due to an error or a bug!
The last is dated on civil war, which seemed rather pleasant table departing and one or is reduced to target the right hole for hours!
The idea of beta might be a good solution.
In any case, I would like to take the pleasure to make a score, then prevent yourself from future errors please!
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I think some sort of beta program would be awesome

TPA is running a beta right now on the new Twilight Zone table on Android system. I can't wait til ZP2 runs it on something else other than Tegra for the Android.

[snakeman07]

TPA is running a beta right now on the new Twilight Zone table on Android system. I can't wait til ZP2 runs it on something else other than Tegra for the Android.

Oh wow, didn't know that! So how did they make it work? Ah screw it, I'll look it up

[Jeppo99]

Bonjour à tous.

Je suis içi pour soutenir wims, je fais aussi partie des joueurs qui se battent pour le haut du tableau.
Les tables sont belles, avec de bonnes idees, mais parfois gachees à cause d'une erreur ou d'un bug !
La derniere en date est sur civil war, table qui semblait plutot agreable au depart et ou on en est reduit à viser le trou droit pendant des heures !
L' idee de beta pourrait etre une bonne solution.
En tout cas, j'aimerais reprendre du plaisir à faire un score, alors evitez les prochaines erreurs s'il vous plait !

Welcome to the forums and such, but I have to ask: If you understood what Wims said, then why did you post in French?

[snakeman07]

Welcome to the forums and such, but I have to ask: If you understood what Wims said, then why did you post in French?

Because some people can understand/read a different language but can't write it.

[Cloda]

Welcome to the forums and such, but I have to ask: If you understood what Wims said, then why did you post in French?

Because it is being discussed on the French forum linked to in Wims signature.