Where díd I say any of that? Of course Zen could change their physics to be more realistic (whatever that means nowadays). See option number 2 I wrote down.
I expressed in my post how physics in Pinball games make them completely different which is why I think real physics don't belong in a Zen Pinball that also features the physics we are used to from that game.
I also never said anywhere that Zen wouldn't be good at recreating the real thing. I just said that real tables aren't necessarily better than digital-only tables. I know how good Zen is at developing their stuff but keep in mind that there is a lot of very deep thought in the real tables as far as positioning of targets, ramps etc. goes so that the table is actually playable. Zen physics and design however are more forgiving and the design doesn't have to be perfect to work really well still. With a real table though if there's just a slight mishap with anything it can ruin the entire experience no matter how good the rest of the table is.
I do realise that tastes are different and if some people want real tables I can understand that. It's just not my cup of tea when they're in video games because of the reasons I mentioned.
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Like I said in a previous post: I highly doubt Zen physics could work on real tables. At least not without making changes to the table and maybe rerwriting the ROM of the original machines from scratch. That's one of the problems I have with The Pinball Arcade. They copied the ROMs of the original tables 1-to-1 into their game but sometimes when the physics or the modeling of the table is just slightly of some shots became nearly impossible to make or the whole table became even more unfair or waaaaay easier than in real life. I don't know if you played it but I'm not exaggerating when I say that some tables are complete disasters that aren't fun whatsoever.
Here's what I think would be best if you'd do real tables:
1. Take a real table and make it your own. Basically remodeling everything so it fits the classic Zen style and physics and it feels like I'm still playing Zen Pinball.
2. Take a real table and try to do a simulation. Again I've played both Zen Pinball and Pinball Arcade as well as several other Pinball games. They're all drastically different and require a completely different skill- and mindset. They are as different as Gran Turismo and Mario Kart are and you wouldn#t mix those two together would you?
We already know their quality control and presentation are far better than the other guys. I don't doubt their physics would probably show the same polish.
Anyway, here's more. Originally posted by Shutyertrap
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...53368360379244
Now check out the comments, specifically this exchange...
Mike Haakenson If somehow a deal could be made for a company like zen to make digital versions of the new games so you could try them out I think it would increase interest in buying a new in box for some people.
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Stern Pinball ........
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Mike Haakenson This blank response excites me!
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Like I said in a previous post: I highly doubt Zen physics could work on real tables. At least not without making changes to the table and maybe rerwriting the ROM of the original machines from scratch. That's one of the problems I have with The Pinball Arcade. They copied the ROMs of the original tables 1-to-1 into their game but sometimes when the physics or the modeling of the table is just slightly of some shots became nearly impossible to make or the whole table became even more unfair or waaaaay easier than in real life. I don't know if you played it but I'm not exaggerating when I say that some tables are complete disasters that aren't fun whatsoever.
Here's what I think would be best if you'd do real tables:
1. Take a real table and make it your own. Basically remodeling everything so it fits the classic Zen style and physics and it feels like I'm still playing Zen Pinball.
2. Take a real table and try to do a simulation. Again I've played both Zen Pinball and Pinball Arcade as well as several other Pinball games. They're all drastically different and require a completely different skill- and mindset. They are as different as Gran Turismo and Mario Kart are and you wouldn#t mix those two together would you?
I'm playing Zen Pinball because of three things: Control, flow and the amazing creativity that you put into the table design. Real Pinball tables aren't made so the player can control the ball and make amazing combo shots. Even the best Pinball players in the world struggle on the real machines with both of these things. And as far as creativity goes: Well the whole entire creativity lies with the people who design the actual machine and not the company who puts it in the game. Why would you want to limit yourself like that? I'd like to remind you of the awesomeness that is the Infinity Gauntlet table. All the crazy stuff that is going on with the upside down table, reversed flippers etc. That was one of the most amazing things I ever played in my life. Those tables that just don't care about the laws of nature are so much more exciting to play. I'd pick one of those any day over a table where my only thought the entire time is: "Oh my god table please don't cheat on me this shot."
Maybe this post feels overly negative to some. I'm just really skeptical and not overly excited like some other people when they hear "real tables" for some reason. The fact that these tables exist in real life don't make them better and putting them in a game certainly doesn't either. I was always honest when I praised the work of Zen Studios and also stated my opinion on the tables I didn't like as much. The concerns I expressed here are no exception and I hope everyone can understand the points I made in this postLeave a comment:
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Maybe because of thishttps://twitter.com/zen_studios/stat...92149700792320
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What makes you think so?
Also I really wouldn't want Zen to put actual tables in their game. The real tables were made with real physics in mind while Zen is completely different from that and as a result a real table simply wouldn't work at all in Zen Pinball. Maybe it would but I can see the "That's not how it's supposed to be. Pinball Arcade did it so much better" jerks coming out flaming everything. Zen could only lose if they'd put real tables in their games.https://twitter.com/zen_studios/stat...92149700792320
Nope - nothing to speak of publicly, we're doing more behind the scenes type of stuff at E3 this yearLeave a comment:
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Also I really wouldn't want Zen to put actual tables in their game. The real tables were made with real physics in mind while Zen is completely different from that and as a result a real table simply wouldn't work at all in Zen Pinball. Maybe it would but I can see the "That's not how it's supposed to be. Pinball Arcade did it so much better" jerks coming out flaming everything. Zen could only lose if they'd put real tables in their games.Leave a comment:
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This is "wrath of olympus version 1.22" by luvthatapex on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them.
Make it cross promotional. Maybe they can get some money out of it to help them get this table built and maybe you guys will pick up a bunch of new customers from pinside of people that are dying for it to get made.
Also I'm guessing some of the news in the first post is about you guys possibly partnering with Stern? If you're looking at making sim tables then start with WOOLY!Leave a comment:
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Zeus' Polymorphing Mating Quest!
Zeus' missions revolve around transforming into other men, women, animals, etc.!
On a serious note, regardless of what they add in the next iteration, I'd absolutely love to see the unified leaderboards from all the various ecosystem platforms. Specifically PS3/PS4/Vita.Leave a comment:
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Just for the general tone I would like to see the mythology table done ‘straight’ with the same sort of vibe as the Rome table.
I don’t want to see any cutesey characters like Epic Quest or cartoon Krakens.Leave a comment:
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It would be cool to have an Apollo mission where the pinball turns into the sun. Well... a miniature version. You know what I mean.Leave a comment:
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I gotta admit, I really like the idea of the 12 labors of Hercules. Imagine doing them all on one run, it's double the typical amount of table missions, but it will be worth itLeave a comment:
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Maybe some Hercules Labor missions or so. Greek Mythology is so broad that there's endless themes to go with. We just gotta narrow it down to just a few.Leave a comment:
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