Zen Pinball 2?

[shogun00]

But isn't it a bit too early for a new board? I'll give it a look, then!

Not at all! They launched the iOS and Android boards two months before the Zen Pinball released onto those platforms.

[Michelasso]

They made a whole new board for Zen Pinball 2.

Oh blimey! I obviously didn't notice it.

But isn't it a bit too earl for a new board? I'll give it a look, then!

[shogun00]

What?! Zen Pinball 2 has been announced in the PS Blog and there is not an official thread in the forum? This is big news!! So, for when can we expect it?

They made a whole new board for Zen Pinball 2.

[drfreak]

Looking forward to the release

Even the comments on the blog are extremely helpful.
So who's the next pinball wizard?

[Michelasso]

What?! Zen Pinball 2 has been announced in the PS Blog and there is not an official thread in the forum? This is big news!! So, for when can we expect it?

[ShoryukenToTheChin]

Nice to know the Zen Pinball community will get a Platform like PFX2.

[darkDNA]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/...n-and-ps-vita/

Anyone else excited for a Plants vs Zombies table?

[ShoryukenToTheChin]

Once again i implore you. if the PS3 has the power.. add a 1080p engine, PLEASE? it's nice to bypass the tvs scaler when possible.

Second this.

[zaphod77]

And just got a new tv, and once again 720p lags. after tweaking things a bit, zen pinball demo is almost playable.

In 1080p native games (tested with spelunker hd, which i think is a pretty good test) no lag that I can feel.

Once again i implore you. if the PS3 has the power.. add a 1080p engine, PLEASE? it's nice to bypass the tvs scaler when possible.

[Michelasso]

I felt a good quarter second of lag on my friends tv, and it made paranormal completely impossible to play well.

You may want to see if your friend's tv is listed in this (very good) site: www.hdtvtest.co.uk

With my surprise it reports for my tv a (measured!) input lag of 16ms, which is amazing given what I paid for it. Also it usually have some measurements on the upscaler.

[Michelasso]

I guarantee if someone complains about zen pinball lagging and pinball fx 2 not lagging this is the reason. Zen pinball is playable on my tv in game mode, even though it's native res is 1080p. but not everyone is so lucky. I felt a good quarter second of lag on my friends tv, and it made paranormal completely impossible to play well.

Well, there is more behind lagging than that. I've found an interesting article:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-lag-factor-article

You can see how the "game mode" bypasses most image processing (like the colour setting and even the volume in my cheap Sammy).

Most if not all FPS (CoD for sure) output at 720p. We well know how critical is the lag on such games. It would be interesting to know how they play the solo campaign on your friend's television.

Anyway, from what I know since the PS3 doesn't have an HW scaler like the X360, upscaling native 720p games to 1080p would steal computing power (even if just a small amount) already fully needed by the games. This is the reason why many PS3 games don't support 1080p. Until few years ago this has been a very long debate in the Sony PS3 forum because older HD tvs didn't have the 720p output and their unlucky owners were (are) forced to play the games at 480p (576p if PAL). So they required the PS3 firmware to always allow the SW upscaling. It never came. I am afraid there is little that can be done. But sure, Zen may decide otherwise.

[maink]

i wonder if all trophies will be re doable , like killzone3 recent multiplayer game

[zaphod77]

This is the first time I hear anything like this. If such was the case then 80% of PS3 games would be unplayable.

Some games are more sensitive to lag than others. the classic examples is rhythm games, fighting games, and field goal kicking meters in football games. However, a few frames of lag can mean the difference between hitting a fast moving ball and it shooting right past the flippers.


I guarantee if someone complains about zen pinball lagging and pinball fx 2 not lagging this is the reason. Zen pinball is playable on my tv in game mode, even though it's native res is 1080p. but not everyone is so lucky. I felt a good quarter second of lag on my friends tv, and it made paranormal completely impossible to play well.

[Michelasso]

Therefore zen pinball players with 1080p HDTVs are reliant on the tvs upscaler, which often will introduce lag.

This is the first time I hear anything like this. If such was the case then 80% of PS3 games would be unplayable.

[zaphod77]

This sounds cool, but PLEASE PLEASE put in 1080p?

The ps3 will not upscale. The xbox has a high speed upscaler in it to make sure games don't lag if your tv is better than the game is.

Therefore zen pinball players with 1080p HDTVs are reliant on the tvs upscaler, which often will introduce lag.

I played zen pinball at a friends house on a 1080p samsung, and even in game mode, it was totally unplayable, while williams pinball hall of fame ran in 1080p and played lag free.

I have both systems and pinball fx 2 is lag free. MY tv does a better job than my friends did with 720p, but i suspect there's some small lag.

Every table that is for both platforms is currently better on 360. But there's still the core tables for ZP.

I hope i've convinced you of the importance of 1080p support.