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  • #16
    Thanks Deep!
    I happily stand corrected

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
      Yes. But without local high scores and an Operators Menu. And you must admit that one gameplay achievement per table is not that much. It just feels very trimmed down. The only real step up are the graphics.

      It would have been great if we could have played the one ball challenge & the time challenges without Wizard powers in Classic mode. Instead it’s exclusive to the rpg/upgrade side of the game.

      I think I understand part of the reason why you guys chose not to do both, the amount of leaderboards would have become overwhelming, but it does shift the focus of the game.
      Wait...there won't be local highscores in FX3? Please tell me I'm wrong. I've played pinball hundreds of hours, both FX2 and Pinball Arcade....while I enjoy playing alone and competing with Steam friends, I've played a ton of hours with friends on my couch! This has been part of our weekends, playing pinball together, drinking beer etc.
      Without local highscores, 70% of the fun is gone (I play in local multiplayer about 70% of the time)!

      Local multiplayer games on PC are not that many! While consoles have more luck, the PC is often left out but without reason. More and more people play in front of a large TV and have several controllers.

      I enjoy the social aspect of local multiplayer. Online multiplayer? Everyone sitting in front of their PC alone, starring at the screen without real friends, without real interaction. Pinball has always been a game with friends, be it real machines or computer games. Moreover, pinball is about highscores and competition...if there are no local highscores, pinball has been robbed of its heart. Sounds exeggerated but it's my opinion.

      Deep, why are there no local highscores? What's the purpose? I understand that adding wizard powers or fancy stuff will attract new people but getting rid of local highscores is something I can't understand.
      By the way, pinball computer games are modern and easy for new players anyway with a lot going on on the screen and adjustable difficulty (balls per game, ball save duration etc.).
      Last edited by LeanderL; 09-09-2017, 10:20 PM.
      http://steamcommunity.com/id/leander_at/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by LeanderL View Post
        Wait...there won't be local highscores in FX3? Please tell me I'm wrong. I've played pinball hundreds of hours, both FX2 and Pinball Arcade....while I enjoy playing alone and competing with Steam friends, I've played a ton of hours with friends on my couch! This has been part of our weekends, playing pinball together, drinking beer etc.
        Without local highscores, 70% of the fun is gone (I play in local multiplayer about 70% of the time)!

        Local multiplayer games on PC are not that many! While consoles have more luck, the PC is often left out but without reason. More and more people play in front of a large TV and have several controllers.

        I enjoy the social aspect of local multiplayer. Online multiplayer? Everyone sitting in front of their PC alone, starring at the screen without real friends, without real interaction. Pinball has always been a game with friends, be it real machines or computer games. Moreover, pinball is about highscores and competition...if there are no local highscores, pinball has been robbed of its heart. Sounds exeggerated but it's my opinion.

        Deep, why are there no local highscores? What's the purpose? I understand that adding wizard powers or fancy stuff will attract new people but getting rid of local highscores is something I can't understand.
        By the way, pinball computer games are modern and easy for new players anyway with a lot going on on the screen and adjustable difficulty (balls per game, ball save duration etc.).
        We table designers were trying to bring local highscores to FX3 but we didn't succeed. The main cause that the leads brought up was to make the game more fluid and not break the gameplay with selecting 3 characters all the time. Maybe if they see how many players want it back, we can persuade them and it will find its way back to the game. I'm not giving up the fight for it. In the meantime use pen and paper, or an excel file, I don't have a better idea

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        • #19
          Thanks for your reply, Deep! Good to hear the table designers know what pinball fans need and you told the devs to add it!
          We should start a petition!

          I get the point but why not split it up? Singler player and online multiplayer: no initals, just your Steam ID...nothing to enter.
          Hot seat/local multiplayer: enter your initals!

          As there are different leaderboards anyway (classic mode, wizard power mode), adding a seperate local leaderboard woundl't be difficult.

          Local scores should also display your Steam ID's score, for example: (my initals would be Lea)

          Leander_AT
          friend 1
          Lea
          friend 2
          Lea
          Lea

          If the Steam account holder (Leander_AT) posts a new highscore in hot seat, it will look like:

          Lea
          Leander_AT
          friend 1
          Lea
          etc...

          And of course the Steam account holder will know his initals and won't mind that both his ID and his initals are displayed.

          =====

          Playing pinball takes time, both in single player mode and hot seat...having to add initials takes seconds and is no big deal, devs! Or just let us save initials and pick them from a list...

          OR just let us have local profiles...like in Infinite Minigolf.

          Player 1 = Steam ID holder
          Players 2-4 may sign in to their local profiles that are only used in local multiplayer mode.
          Signing in takes place before playing a table!

          1) Signing in
          2) entering local multiplayer mode
          3) picking tables and playing them

          Local multiplayer mode is a full menu option and you are no longer prompted to play single player or hot seat every time you start a new table!

          Every local profile is set up within a minute...adding the player's name, adding his/her initials... DONE!

          Then you start local multiplayer with player 1 = Steam ID holder, player 2 = local profile, player 3 = local profile 2 etc.

          This way, you only load every player's profile once and before entering hot seat mode.
          As player 1 is always Steam ID holder and the game knows the names and initials of players 2-4, you do NOT have to enter initals during playing one or more tables!

          After creating local profiles once within a minute, all you have to do is load them when you want to start hot seat mode...no big deal!
          Last edited by LeanderL; 09-09-2017, 11:11 PM.
          http://steamcommunity.com/id/leander_at/

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          • #20
            Originally posted by deep View Post
            We table designers were trying to bring local highscores to FX3 but we didn't succeed. The main cause that the leads brought up was to make the game more fluid and not break the gameplay with selecting 3 characters all the time. Maybe if they see how many players want it back, we can persuade them and it will find its way back to the game. I'm not giving up the fight for it. In the meantime use pen and paper, or an excel file, I don't have a better idea
            I would like local high scores back. It makes it feel like an acomplishment whenever I get to enter my initials, even if I don't get the top score. Since I'm not reguarly breaking my number one score its fun to play and see I've managed to beat one of my old scores.

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            • #21
              Deep, please forward my local profiles idea to the devs! Just look in Infinite Minigolf...let us add local profiles with initials...maybe even for player 1.

              First, create profiles: profile name and initals, maybe avatar for local player ... has to be done only once!

              Then, every time you start FX3 and want to play hot seat:

              example:
              player 1 -> load profile -> player 1 is Lea
              player 2 -> load profile -> player 2 is Dee
              player 3 -> load profile -> player 3 is Sam

              No initals to enter during play!
              http://steamcommunity.com/id/leander_at/

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              • #22
                Originally posted by LeanderL View Post
                Deep, please forward my local profiles idea to the devs! Just look in Infinite Minigolf...let us add local profiles with initials...maybe even for player 1.

                First, create profiles: profile name and initals, maybe avatar for local player ... has to be done only once!

                Then, every time you start FX3 and want to play hot seat:

                example:
                player 1 -> load profile -> player 1 is Lea
                player 2 -> load profile -> player 2 is Dee
                player 3 -> load profile -> player 3 is Sam

                No initals to enter during play!
                I think this would be a great idea. I play local with my kids and they are super excited when they can enter their initials; now it will be even harder to turn them into pinball maniacs.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by LeanderL View Post
                  Deep, please forward my local profiles idea to the devs! Just look in Infinite Minigolf...let us add local profiles with initials...maybe even for player 1.

                  First, create profiles: profile name and initals, maybe avatar for local player ... has to be done only once!

                  Then, every time you start FX3 and want to play hot seat:

                  example:
                  player 1 -> load profile -> player 1 is Lea
                  player 2 -> load profile -> player 2 is Dee
                  player 3 -> load profile -> player 3 is Sam

                  No initals to enter during play!
                  Dutch Pinball did this with their Bride of Pinbot 2.0, so it shouldn't be too bad to implement.

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                  • #24
                    Deep, thanks for confirming we can keep tables in ZP2 and also bring over to FX3.

                    Yeah, since it is not a technical thing (didn't think it would be), we really need to add back local Top 10 leaderboards. From the outcry here, it is important and takes like 5 seconds to enter your initials (or less if saved). Hardly disruptive.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by deep View Post
                      We table designers were trying to bring local highscores to FX3 but we didn't succeed. The main cause that the leads brought up was to make the game more fluid and not break the gameplay with selecting 3 characters all the time. Maybe if they see how many players want it back, we can persuade them and it will find its way back to the game. I'm not giving up the fight for it. In the meantime use pen and paper, or an excel file, I don't have a better idea
                      In at least the iOS version, a lot (all?) of the newer tables remembers your initials if you are the primary player/account - so you don't have to "break the flow" too much when you put in your initials because you did well. When you first play a zen table - you see the enter initials screen a lot because you are replacing the low default scores with your initials (nice to have it auto filled). Eventually they are ALL your very best local high scores (my pinball friends aren't into video game pinball - i am trying) and you don't see that screen again unless you have an above average game and start beating your lowest top scores and raising the bar even more!

                      Tell the leads to go to the pinball venues in Hungary with some friends - and when one of them achieves a high score it produces a badge of honor feeling to very humbly and with expert precision and speed, put your initials into a machine. (even better than the high score replay knock).

                      I do get what they are saying with break the flow - maybe the local high scores could be kept with the classic mode (no-powerups).

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                      • #26
                        I am not understanding the break up the flow argument?

                        The game is over and the time needed is so minimal (and even less with saved initials).

                        Is the concern for real-time multiplayer where you have to wait watching someone else put in their initials? If not, I don't get it. And I can't think there will be much real-time multiplayer play (aka hot seat in SW Pinball). Just not a huge user base.

                        The way I understood multiplayer to be was more challenges, rankings, leaderboards, etc against other real players. Rock Band 4 Rivals expansion does this well with Seasons team mode where your team tries to advance to the next tier each week and with Challenges you earn badges for but play at your own convenience.

                        I hope their is an App to check scores, challenge progression, etc but maybe in time.

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                        • #27
                          In the Steam thread below, Akos, one of the devs, said:

                          "I'll definitely bring this up here in the office. If anyone feels the same way, please add your voice to the conversation, and we'll see what we can do."

                          Please post in the Steam thread if you also want to see local highscores in FX3:

                          http://steamcommunity.com/app/442120...scn=1505142881
                          http://steamcommunity.com/id/leander_at/

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by LeanderL View Post
                            In the Steam thread below, Akos, one of the devs, said:

                            "I'll definitely bring this up here in the office. If anyone feels the same way, please add your voice to the conversation, and we'll see what we can do."

                            Please post in the Steam thread if you also want to see local highscores in FX3:

                            http://steamcommunity.com/app/442120...scn=1505142881
                            I am probably not going to create an account to post there but cool you linked this thread so they could see the support here.

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                            • #29
                              I would also like to voice my opinion that removing the local leaderboards is whack, but I don't have a steam account, so I am doing it here

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                              • #30
                                Count me in as another veteran ZP player that wants to keep local scores. It's one of those small immersive things that makes you briefly forget that your playing a video game and not a real machine. And for those with virtual pins who like competing with friends, it's a pretty huge oversight not to include local high scores.

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