ROME Table - 10M Romulus ??

[deep]

All right I hear you guys. I think it wouldn't be that bad to add a bit to the jackpot. Would 25M be okay for start, and an additional 1M for all the lane hits instead of couple hundred K points? I can now score a 40+ M jackpot easily. Would this be okay?

[Cloda]

I couldn't agree more, we are on the same side ! But the player who is good enough to complete Romulus should be awarded accordingly, there are many easy ways to get 10M, Romulus is worth a lot more. Middle ground, please... And again, this is a countdown, 10M means you get... no time !

Sorry, that is why I quoted that section of your post in my previous post I meant to say that I do agree that they could have made it a proportionally higher reward.

[Vincent]

This whole table was designed to be hard I can't honestly remember how I approached Rome when I last played it. I do remember though that beating the Wizard mode was a really tough ask and I only managed to do it once or twice and you didn't even have to finish each of the Garrison main missions to get to the Wizard mode. If they really want to make it that only the top players get the high scores, they should make it that you have to repeat each of the 6 Garrison missions before you can reach the wizard mode and not just finish 6 missions, even if it is the same one.

I'm still happy with Romulus, as a side quest, scoring lower or the same as a main mission. Reaching the Wizard mode should should be your main goal for getting a big score. As soon as there is a mode that you can spam on a table, it takes all the fun out of it for me because then it means the person who is willing to put the most hours into it is going to get the high score rather than the player that has best mastered the table.

I couldn't agree more, we are on the same side ! But the player who is good enough to complete Romulus should be awarded accordingly, there are many easy ways to get 10M, Romulus is worth a lot more. Middle ground, please... And again, this is a countdown, 10M means you get... no time !

[Cloda]

So, while I'm not saying it was completely absurd to lower this bonus, I think 10M is way too low, something like 30-40M would be sensible - considering most of the time, the time you take to complete it will lower the bonus and give you like 20M in the end. I'm not a super professional pinball player, and the few times I was successful at completing Romulus, I got like 90M or less...

I love Rome and I always thought trying to trigger and win Romulus was a side quest to the missions, seeing it at 10M makes me hate what you did with this table, your 10M tweak is just as excessive as 110M, so, why falling into the same faults we are criticizing ? why not go for the middle ground ?

This whole table was designed to be hard I can't honestly remember how I approached Rome when I last played it. I do remember though that beating the Wizard mode was a really tough ask and I only managed to do it once or twice and you didn't even have to finish each of the Garrison main missions to get to the Wizard mode. If they really want to make it that only the top players get the high scores, they should make it that you have to complete each of the 6 Garrison missions before you can reach the wizard mode and not just finish any 6 missions, even if it is the same one.

I'm still happy with Romulus, as a side quest, scoring lower or the same as a main mission. Reaching the Wizard mode should should be your main goal for getting a big score. As soon as there is a mode that you can spam on a table, it takes all the fun out of it for me because then it means the person who is willing to put the most hours into it is going to get the high score rather than the player that has best mastered the table.

[Vincent]

I agree wholeheartedly. High scores should come from playing the table as a whole e.g. play through modes and wizard mode, rather than spamming a certain mode.

Look, I totally understand your point, I'm not saying you shouldn't have lowered it at all. But talking about good and bad tables, I think a good table is a table where the reward is proportionate to the efforts. If you only get a few M after lighting all the letters, then shooting the locked ball several times, then shooting the statue from the left side, well... you better just shoot the central hole 5 times during south garrison and you get 10M. Romulus becomes absurd, and this is a great flaw, to my mind.

Please realize the Romulus initial bonus is also a countdown. If it starts at 10M, it becomes nearly impossible, and if you are good and manage to do it, the countdown will be at 2 or 3M unless you know how to raise it, which is also something hard to achieve.

Romulus was designed to be hard, now we don't understand any more why it is so hard since we only get a few M. It makes this part of the table totally illogical, which is, in my opinion, a big flaw : again, no one will ever bother to complete Romulus, it's just far too risky for what you get. So, in a way, you are doing the opposite of what you want to achieve, making things even more unbalanced, just the other way around.

So, while I'm not saying it was completely absurd to lower this bonus, I think 10M is way too low, something like 30-40M would be sensible - considering most of the time, the time you take to complete it will lower the bonus and give you like 20M in the end. I'm not a super professional pinball player, and the few times I was successful at completing Romulus, I got like 90M or less...

I love Rome and I always thought trying to trigger and win Romulus was a side quest to the missions, seeing it at 10M makes me hate what you did with this table, your 10M tweak is just as excessive as 110M, so, why falling into the same faults we are criticizing ? why not go for the middle ground ?

[Cloda]

You just wrote the point. This was the only thing on the table that worth spamming. A pinball table that have one single thing to worth aim for is a bad table and we don't want that.

I agree wholeheartedly. High scores should come from playing the table as a whole e.g. play through modes and wizard mode, rather than spamming a certain mode.

[Deco]

...A pinball table that have one single thing to worth aim for is a bad table and we don't want that.

Thats a nice view. Thx

[deep]

Sorry but this is a joke... winning Romulus Multiball is pretty super hard to achieve (lighting the letters is only to activate the mode !), so hard that it justifies to pursue this goal in parallel with completing missions. This was the whole thing. 10M is completely underrated, no one will ever bother to accomplish this for a few millions. I really do not understand this choice ! This is just a bad one, the table lost its soul. Nothing more to say.

You just wrote the point. This was the only thing on the table that worth spamming. A pinball table that have one single thing to worth aim for is a bad table and we don't want that.

[Vincent]

Sorry but this is a joke... winning Romulus Multiball is pretty super hard to achieve (lighting the letters is only to activate the mode !), so hard that it justifies to pursue this goal in parallel with completing missions. This was the whole thing. 10M is completely underrated, no one will ever bother to accomplish this for a few millions. I really do not understand this choice ! This is just a bad one, the table lost its soul. Nothing more to say.