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  • #1

    Death Save (nudge)

    Is it me or was nudging ability nerfed? I used to pull off death saves with d-pad all the time (mostly on Zen Pinball 2 on ps3 and ps4). And I got that Avengers table trophy (for death save/bang back) in about a minute in both versions. But it took me 2 hours to get the same trophy on Pinball FX3. I can't do death saves like I used to. Not even close.
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    It's still possible. Just easier on some tables than others.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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    • #3
      they have got a lot harder on xbox1 than they were in FX2

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      • #4
        I haven't notice much of a difference between ZP2 and PFX3, except for the sweet spot seems to be a different spot.

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        • #5
          Death Save

          I have tried to practice it probably several hundred times by nudging between the flippers and never seemed to manage a nudge with a good enough power/height. And i tried death saves a lot of time, but I can save the ball 1 out of 10-15 times and they didn't usually count for that trophy, apparently it requires a clean, powerful save. I finally used another controller (hori pad fps plus) instead of my official ds4 and did it much easier with that, but still much harder than zp2. I guess I need to find that sweet spot...

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          • #6
            Hey Everyone,
            we received plenty of feedback about this question.
            The main reason behind the change of the nudge is that we are tried to mimic the reality much more since the new graphical engine gave us this opportunity.
            We know that this change looks way bigger than it should be in the first place but we truly believe that this new setting will help improving the experience.

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            • #7
              The difference I’ve really noticed is in nudge passing. If the ball is moving fast it usually does not work
              Tables completed: Ms Splosion Man, Spiderman, BioLab, Captain America, Empire Strikes Back, The Avengers, Wolverine, World War Hulk, Sorcerer's Lair, Fantastic Four, Blade, X-Men, Thor, Moon Knight, Infinity Gauntlet, Super League Football, Starfighter Assault, Han Solo
              Billionaire's Club: Spider-Man, World War Hulk, The Avengers, Sorcerer's Lair, Empire Strikes Back, Captain America, Ms. Splosion Man, Han Solo

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              • #8
                Which outlane are we talking about here, cause death saves are only done when the ball is drained from the right outlane? Bang backs are done from the left outlane drain.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cornholio View Post
                  Which outlane are we talking about here, cause death saves are only done when the ball is drained from the right outlane? Bang backs are done from the left outlane drain.
                  Is this really a thing or are you just messing with us?
                  Accomplishments in real life

                  1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
                  2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
                  3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cantankerous-- View Post
                    Is this really a thing or are you just messing with us?
                    Death Save (from right outlane)
                    Pinball Flipper Skills - Death Save
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZljaPDYpXs
                    This video is part of a series of pinball flipper techniques found at http://www.papa.tv. The death save is illegal in pinball competition.


                    Bang Back (from left outlane)
                    Pinball Flipper Skills - Bang Back
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB8Xp4PMvbQ
                    A demonstration of an illegal pinball technique.More information at: http://www.papa.org

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                    • #11
                      ZP2 on Wii U: https://youtu.be/l5sv1MbhJ7c

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shogun00
                        In real pinball, there is a difference, but it's not what you stated above.
                        Seeing as I provided evidence from the most respected pinball source, and you haven't provided any, I think I'll go with my explanation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cornholio View Post
                          Seeing as I provided evidence from the most respected pinball source, and you haven't provided any, I think I'll go with my explanation.
                          It seems ridiculous to argue that virtual pinball is the same as real pinball. A nudge save from the right is the same as a nudge from the left. Call it what you want, but they are the same thing.
                          Accomplishments in real life

                          1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
                          2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
                          3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cantankerous-- View Post
                            It seems ridiculous to argue that virtual pinball is the same as real pinball. A nudge save from the right is the same as a nudge from the left. Call it what you want, but they are the same thing.
                            It really depends on how Zen build their outlanes and aprons. If they're symmetrical, then yes, you're right. But if they're built like real pinball aprons and outlanes, then no, you're wrong.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by emboliformis View Post
                              Is it me or was nudging ability nerfed? I used to pull off death saves with d-pad all the time (mostly on Zen Pinball 2 on ps3 and ps4). And I got that Avengers table trophy (for death save/bang back) in about a minute in both versions. But it took me 2 hours to get the same trophy on Pinball FX3. I can't do death saves like I used to. Not even close.
                              I totally agree. Before patch 1.02 nudge saves worked perfectly fine with the D-Pad. I was able to nudge save round about 70% on Boba Fett table. After patch i'm around 1 out of 15. Depends on table though. Unfortunately I stopped Playing Pinball FX3 because of that and switched back to Zen Pinball 2.
                              Generally nudge saving with D-Pad worked a lot better compared to the analog sticks. Now i'm forced to use the analog sticks, because the power of nudging with D-Pad has been decreased that much with patch 1.02.

                              Don't get me wrong, I really loved playing Pinball FX3 and i really would like to buy the new tables, but with this change I'm not having fun.

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