I personally appreciate your response, & thank you guys for taking the steps to ensure the cheating doesn't go unchecked. The problem is that whether you know how they're doing it or not, you can still clearly see that they're cheating, & their scores should be wiped, & a ban enforced. These aren't borderline cases, they're clear cut.
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Although I can appreciate that your team is dedicated to investigating the matter and has enough integrity to not just ban the aforementioned players based on the communities combined assumptions of guilt, delaying the removal of clearly questionable scores from the leaderboards hurts your company more than it hurts any of us. I can tell you, I have a number of number 1 scores and it garners me no celebrity or ingame swag whatsoever and being number 2 under a clearly suspicious score would lose me no sleep especially given that everyone on this board is aware of them, however this board and its members only comprise the smallest percentage of your online community and many who do not frequent this board and just see the clearly fake scores week after week, month after month and just think your company does not care. I mean the whole, "I got a number 1" and then checking the leaderboard every day to ensure its still there newness kind of wore off a long time ago for me, but for that guy who plays every day hours and hours to finally get one only to have some schmuck post a bogus score above him and looking at it for seemingly forever kind of sucks big time. If your not going to ban the players at least see that the scores are next to impossible to achieve and delete them so the leaderboards have some integrity and your customers who have supported your company since way before fx3 are assured that you are truly committed to them, otherwise, frankly, it just sounds like the same ol blah, blah, blah to me.Last edited by cantankerous--; 08-01-2018, 06:17 PM.Accomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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Although I can appreciate that your team is dedicated to investigating the matter and has enough integrity to not just ban the aforementioned players based on the communities combined assumptions of guilt, delaying the removal of clearly questionable scores from the leaderboards hurts your company more than it hurts any of us. I can tell you, I have a number of number 1 scores and it garners me no celebrity or ingame swag whatsoever and being number 2 under a clearly suspicious score would lose me no sleep especially given that everyone on this board is aware of them, however this board and its members only comprise the smallest percentage of your online community and many who do not frequent this board and just see the clearly fake scores week after week, month after month and just think your company does not care. I mean the whole, "I got a number 1" and then checking the leaderboard every day to ensure its still there newness kind of wore off a long time ago for me, but for that guy who plays every day hours and hours to finally get one only to have some schmuck post a bogus score above him and looking at it for seemingly forever kind of sucks big time. If your not going to ban the players at least see that the scores are next to impossible to achieve and delete them so the leaderboards have some integrity and your customers who have supported your company since way before fx3 are assured that you are truly committed to them, otherwise, frankly, it just sounds like the same ol blah, blah, blah to me.Proud member of the Hyna Gang! Keeping pinball alive on the Wii U!Comment
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for the feedback! As I mentioned in my previous post, the reason we don't want to delete the scores yet is because we would like to observe their behavior.
"It's fair enough to say that it is almost impossible and not realistic to have scores which always end with zeros." That means we are aware that it is not possible to have these kind of scores.
We would like to solve the problem in long-term, not just for now. We can only do this with a conscious strategy where we will find out how they actually do it.
We don't want this to happen again, so that's why it takes more time than expected.
Thanks for your patience again!
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for the feedback! As I mentioned in my previous post, the reason we don't want to delete the scores yet is because we would like to observe their behavior.
"It's fair enough to say that it is almost impossible and not realistic to have scores which always end with zeros." That means we are aware that it is not possible to have these kind of scores.
We would like to solve the problem in long-term, not just for now. We can only do this with a conscious strategy where we will find out how they actually do it.
We don't want this to happen again, so that's why it takes more time than expected.
Thanks for your patience again!
ChiliAccomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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I really don't see the logic in your thinking. If you delete their scores and they never post another, that's a WIN for the community. If you delete their scores and they repost them, as I predict they will, then that's a WIN for Zen because you now have, I suspect at least, something in place to detect bogus scores and will then understand how it is being done. In either scenario removing the scores does nothing but benefit the community unless of course, you just have no way of detecting the submission of bogus scores I hold out the possibility that they are playing legitimately and some odd set up, computer configuration, network error thingy is rounding their scores while posting. If so, the scores are still bogus and need to be removed and if indeed the players are legitimately playing they will reach out to you wondering why????
You guys have built the best pinball game with the best back-end database in the world. Obviously, nobody could have programmed in every possible cheat path. But because it takes a commitment from these legitimately great players to get their scores in there... heck, I work my tail off just to be average. Because of the work of these legit great players, based on all the points made here, I think you probably should correct it by removing blatant cheating.Last edited by steven120566; 08-02-2018, 02:42 PM.Comment
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I don’t mind if the bogus scores stay up for a while longer, if it helps in the long-term. I am quite satisfied with Chili’s response, to be honest. I am really keen to hear more information as this develops. Obviously there is some secrecy that needs to maintained, I understand, but it’d be great if we could be kept updated with whatever Zen is happy to tell us.Comment
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Like I said previously, I can appreciate that Zen is committed to not banning the suspect players without proof of wrong doing or deliberate deception on their part. I mean, why on earth would anyone who has the ability to manipulate the scoreboards do so in such an obvious manner? Even those of you who are adamant that they are cheating must ask yourself this, so, at least to me, giving them the benefit of doubt until such time as undeniable proof exists is a good stance. Now, that being said there can be no question that the scores are not legit. I have played countless tables. Own every single one and been a supporter of Zen since the first release on PS3 and in all that time never once got a score that was all zeroes at the end............not once. The scores are not legit and frankly allowing them to remain when they are clearly not legit is a slap in the face to me and to all your other members who expect a level of integrity to the leaderboards and providing the explanation that you are continuing to investigate how it is being done is just not good enough. Sure, continue investigating, but do so after removing the fake scores. I personally see it as your obligation to me and all your customers to maintain the leaderboards and not take over 3 months to do so.Accomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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Like I said previously, I can appreciate that Zen is committed to not banning the suspect players without proof of wrong doing or deliberate deception on their part. I mean, why on earth would anyone who has the ability to manipulate the scoreboards do so in such an obvious manner? Even those of you who are adamant that they are cheating must ask yourself this, so, at least to me, giving them the benefit of doubt until such time as undeniable proof exists is a good stance. Now, that being said there can be no question that the scores are not legit. I have played countless tables. Own every single one and been a supporter of Zen since the first release on PS3 and in all that time never once got a score that was all zeroes at the end............not once. The scores are not legit and frankly allowing them to remain when they are clearly not legit is a slap in the face to me and to all your other members who expect a level of integrity to the leaderboards and providing the explanation that you are continuing to investigate how it is being done is just not good enough. Sure, continue investigating, but do so after removing the fake scores. I personally see it as your obligation to me and all your customers to maintain the leaderboards and not take over 3 months to do so.Comment
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It's funny, because they've clearly been removing unobtainable scores from the standard Superscore leaderboard on a near daily basis. B.s. scores go up, Zen take them back down almost as rapidly. I don't see what the issue is with Ardenwolfe, Kthula 666 etc. Also, I do firmly believe after months of blatant, unpunished cheating from these scrubs that it's time to brandish the ban hammer, otherwise, what deterrent is being implemented? Players can log outrageous, bogus scores & the worst that happens is they get removed. Other developers hand out bans for notorious cheats, Zen should be no different.Accomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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Hey Guys!
Thanks for the feedback! As I mentioned in my previous post, the reason we don't want to delete the scores yet is because we would like to observe their behavior.
"It's fair enough to say that it is almost impossible and not realistic to have scores which always end with zeros." That means we are aware that it is not possible to have these kind of scores.
We would like to solve the problem in long-term, not just for now. We can only do this with a conscious strategy where we will find out how they actually do it.
We don't want this to happen again, so that's why it takes more time than expected.
Thanks for your patience again!
Chili
But one thought occured to me. If you remove their scores, you will probably goad them into posting new scores, meaning the chances of actually catching them in the act increases. As it is now, they already have the top scores, so why bother posting new scores?
I think you should just remove obvious fake scores, because in this case, they will only be posting more scores, which gives you more data to work with.Comment
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What sucks is I have beaten one or 2 of their scores and could probably beat them all but the fact Zen doesn't want to take them down doesn't really give me any motivation to try. I also have a feeling if the scores are taken down they wont repost then. If they were any good they would have scores on every table and just keep taking the number one spot but thats not the case. I almost have the feeling that if they repost the scores the scores will be the exact same numbers.Proud member of the Hyna Gang! Keeping pinball alive on the Wii U!Comment
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What sucks is I have beaten one or 2 of their scores and could probably beat them all but the fact Zen doesn't want to take them down doesn't really give me any motivation to try. I also have a feeling if the scores are taken down they wont repost then. If they were any good they would have scores on every table and just keep taking the number one spot but thats not the case. I almost have the feeling that if they repost the scores the scores will be the exact same numbers.Accomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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As far as your assertion that you could probably beat all of their scores. V12 awaits you SirAccomplishments in real life
1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.
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