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  • GruffMckenzie
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    Originally posted by shogun00 View Post
    Actually, it's rated E-10, while PFX3 is only rated E. And that's where the problem lies. E-10 allows the above, while the E rating doesn't.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/za...ot:overviewtab
    fair enough on the correction, but that is where the problem lies.

    That a woman in a bikini needs a rating (and not really one that is posing for sexual titillation) is clearly a problem.

    It's up to Zen to decided what rating they want I guess, but i think it's fair to question why it needs to be lower than an E10!

    I love what Zen do, this does irritate a little though. I'm not even an out and out purist; it doesn't affect my game. But the fact that it happens seems so unnecessary.

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  • tfhfony
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    Originally posted by DMR140 View Post
    I guess it’s not that simple. Consider all the different countries, media laws, going cross platform and mostly kids playing the consoles. Also, I think Zen can be proud for all the titles they already made.
    It really is that simple. TPA just released Whoa Nelly, aka Big Juicy Melons last with the same rating.
    Farsight published their whole library without any problem. ZEN is just looking problems which aren't there.

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  • ALH2012
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    Originally posted by tfhfony View Post
    No, I don't think they are in trouble. My guess (and hope) is that the Williams tables are doing fine for them. And they should, as the playability is great and they are visually stunning. Last week I booted The Pinball Arcade, but I can't play it anymore. i am spoiled to much by the quality of the ZEN versions of these tables.
    But, yes... they do have their priorities mixed up. We're used, as Europeans, to look at the American censorship and shake our head about this. So it's quite weird now to see that a European company has decided to take the censorship to another level. And they are not even trying to find a solution for the console owners and that worries me.
    According to what they have done with White Water, you can't take a 10 year old out swimming or to the ocean, as they might run into a woman inb bikini. God forbid...
    And did you also notice that the ZEN mod's have gone all quite regarding this subject. Right now, on consoles ZEN = CENSORSHIP ... Which is quite weird. Especially considering their audience...
    Yeah beyond the massive caveat that the tables are censored the Zen Williams tables are great, no doubt.Although i do hope they don't come with the sacrifice of the Zen Original tables.That would not be a fair trade.I want both to be able to co-exist and be co-produced.As said the last original table was Solo and that release is about 1 year ago.

    Yeah i have noticed Zen going all quiet(as in hiding) regarding the censorship.It is not acceptable and the censorship sabotages the whole concept of recreating a faithful experience of the original pinball table.

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  • shogun00
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    Originally posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    Anyone played this on the xbox?
    E3 rating.

    has bikinis and a scantily clad women swinging through the jungle.
    Actually, it's rated E-10, while PFX3 is only rated E. And that's where the problem lies. E-10 allows the above, while the E rating doesn't.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/za...ot:overviewtab

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  • GruffMckenzie
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    Zaccaria

    Anyone played this on the xbox?
    E3 rating.

    has bikinis and a scantily clad women swinging through the jungle.
    Last edited by GruffMckenzie; 08-10-2019, 03:06 AM.

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  • DMR140
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    I guess it’s not that simple. Consider all the different countries, media laws, going cross platform and mostly kids playing the consoles. Also, I think Zen can be proud for all the titles they already made.

    Let’s not forget there’s a team of humans working really hard on this... I’m (as a pinball fanatic) very grateful for the quality level that pinball games have reached. It’s really promising for the future and ZEN is providing and pushing on and on.
    Last edited by DMR140; 08-10-2019, 12:23 AM.

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  • tfhfony
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    Originally posted by ALH2012 View Post
    Haha.Nice.

    Yeah that kid is doomed and i guess anyone who ever played an uncensored pinball table.Scratch that.Anyone who ever stepped outside the housedoor into the world must be doomed.Life can be quite uncensored.

    Zen definitely have their priorities crossed.I think Solo was the last original table they produced.Must have been about 1 year ago.Have Zen really been stretching themselves too thin?Or even worse, are they in trouble and this whole Williams thing is born out of desperation because business is not going well anymore?
    No, I don't think they are in trouble. My guess (and hope) is that the Williams tables are doing fine for them. And they should, as the playability is great and they are visually stunning. Last week I booted The Pinball Arcade, but I can't play it anymore. i am spoiled to much by the quality of the ZEN versions of these tables.
    But, yes... they do have their priorities mixed up. We're used, as Europeans, to look at the American censorship and shake our head about this. So it's quite weird now to see that a European company has decided to take the censorship to another level. And they are not even trying to find a solution for the console owners and that worries me.
    According to what they have done with White Water, you can't take a 10 year old out swimming or to the ocean, as they might run into a woman inb bikini. God forbid...
    And did you also notice that the ZEN mod's have gone all quite regarding this subject. Right now, on consoles ZEN = CENSORSHIP ... Which is quite weird. Especially considering their audience...

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  • ALH2012
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    Originally posted by tfhfony View Post
    Last Wednesday I went to the Dutch Pinball Museum in Rotterdam and stumbled on this:

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]1411[/ATTACH]

    And to my surprise, a +/- 10 year old was playing Scared Stiff. I guess the boy is doomed for life now...
    Haha.Nice.

    Yeah that kid is doomed and i guess anyone who ever played an uncensored pinball table.Scratch that.Anyone who ever stepped outside the housedoor into the world must be doomed.Life can be quite uncensored.

    Zen definitely have their priorities crossed.I think Solo was the last original table they produced.Must have been about 1 year ago.Have Zen really been stretching themselves too thin?Or even worse, are they in trouble and this whole Williams thing is born out of desperation because business is not going well anymore?

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  • tfhfony
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    Last Wednesday I went to the Dutch Pinball Museum in Rotterdam and stumbled on this:

    gross.jpg

    And to my surprise, a +/- 10 year old was playing Scared Stiff. I guess the boy is doomed for life now...

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  • gundamme1ster
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    Originally posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    Violence in Hong Kong, racist chanting egged on by the President of the USA. Boris Johnson the lying clown causing monumental strife in Europe becoming PM. Wars in Syria. Ebola Outbreaks across the world.

    Quick! cover that Bikini up...

    Someone's got something the wrong way round somewhere.
    Meanwhile this is banned in France. Apparently the kids aren't allowed to see a fully covered up woman, either.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546653094

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  • tfhfony
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    Originally posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    Violence in Hong Kong, racist chanting egged on by the President of the USA. Boris Johnson the lying clown causing monumental strife in Europe becoming PM. Wars in Syria. Ebola Outbreaks across the world.

    Quick! cover that Bikini up...

    Someone's got something the wrong way round somewhere.
    Indeed.
    If there was like a G-cup in a small bikini it might have been something else, but it was a very decent bikini. ZEN has taken censorship to the next level. I guess we'd beter don't take our kids to the beach or swimming pool anymore. They might see a woman in bikini...

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  • GruffMckenzie
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    Violence in Hong Kong, racist chanting egged on by the President of the USA. Boris Johnson the lying clown causing monumental strife in Europe becoming PM. Wars in Syria. Ebola Outbreaks across the world.

    Quick! cover that Bikini up...

    Someone's got something the wrong way round somewhere.

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  • deep
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    Originally posted by MAT View Post
    I would have bought Williams Vol.3 today on PS4, if it didn't have the censorship.. Did I understand this correctly, you can't get rid of the censorship completely even on Steam? The censorship option only affects the DMD and soundtrack, not graphics?
    You can turn off the censored content on Steam in the options. It's called Williams Pinball Family mode in the UI/Streaming menu.

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  • The Omega M4n
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    ^^^Well, not much we can do about it at this point, all i have done personally is instead of buying the tables at launch on both steam and XBX, i just now wait for a sale, tables are still playable but if they are being tampered with from the original then they are are not worth the asking price at launch, so swings and roundabouts.

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  • ALH2012
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    Williams Vol.4.On with the censorship:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wO4vNU0MQ&t=

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