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  • snoopy
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    Originally posted by hitman12 View Post
    I played only in classic arcade mode. If the ball on a real pinball behaved in this way, most players would quickly discourage the game and such pinball would stop earning money. After a few days I practically stopped playing in AFM because no matter how i hit the ball it almost every time drop into a central hole or it goes off sideways and it really ceases to be fun. if further recreations will be done in this way, i will stop buying future dlc's - there are many other alternatives except TPA, for example Visual Pinball or Future Pinball.
    i agree with hitman12 ,probably Zen should look for different Beta Testers other than the self styled Einstein of Pinball Mr Friebus aka shutyerwhatever .How about having a Pro from Papa or Ifpa take a look at things instead of the already mentioned Guy and a youtube Dude who owns a few Pinball Machines.

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  • hitman12
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    I played only in classic arcade mode. If the ball on a real pinball behaved in this way, most players would quickly discourage the game and such pinball would stop earning money. After a few days I practically stopped playing in AFM because no matter how i hit the ball it almost every time drop into a central hole or it goes off sideways and it really ceases to be fun. if further recreations will be done in this way, i will stop buying future dlc's - there are many other alternatives except TPA, for example Visual Pinball or Future Pinball.
    Last edited by hitman12; 12-12-2018, 08:52 PM.

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  • cantankerous--
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    Originally posted by hitman12 View Post
    The most awesome part of AFM is that even average skilled player can score big scores on this table.thanks Zen for ruin this with Your "realism".
    How are the scores not realistic? The table in real life is one of the first, if not the very first that calculates (even though the display does not allow it) scores counting each roll over into the trillions. Now, granted with the powerups that aspect alters the overall score dramatically, but as a host you are free to choose classic mode or just opt out of powerups entirely, but based on your previous posts I feel you are still upset by your feeling the presentation, speed and physics are unrealistic based on your experience with pinball arcade where the physics and ball speed were far easier, but certainly not realistic comparatively speaking.

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  • hitman12
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    The most awesome part of AFM is that even average skilled player can score big scores on this table.thanks Zen for ruin this with Your "realism".

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  • TuttiDeLeon
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    Originally posted by hitman12 View Post
    Read comments on AFM steam discussion thread and You will read comments from people who played on real machine how faithful these recreations are.If You played on real machine with all options set to super hard difficulty then maybe gameplay is similiar but some people play games to be relaxed and have fun not to get angry and frustrated.One simple solution is to make adjustable difficulty settings for each table or option to enable operator's menu.
    If You own pinball machine You have possibility to adjust difficulty in operator's menu and set everything Your way.If this are faithful recreations then each table should have option to enable and edit OP menu.
    TPA has this option so i see no reason FX 3 shoudn't have this.
    "Normal mode" is pretty easy. Just take a shot on the fly on most Williams tables & it magically finds a ramp or lane.

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  • Ben Logan
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    Another way to adjust difficulty on a real machine (we own five) is to raise or lower the back legs to adjust steepness of slope. We set all our games at home to maximum steepness. Our Space Station is even jacked up a bit with wooden wedges. Still, Zen Arcade and Tourney modes feel faster. The physics are great overall. The slope is just a bit unrealistic (but I admit fun for experieced players).

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  • hitman12
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    Read comments on AFM steam discussion thread and You will read comments from people who played on real machine how faithful these recreations are.If You played on real machine with all options set to super hard difficulty then maybe gameplay is similiar but some people play games to be relaxed and have fun not to get angry and frustrated.One simple solution is to make adjustable difficulty settings for each table or option to enable operator's menu.
    If You own pinball machine You have possibility to adjust difficulty in operator's menu and set everything Your way.If this are faithful recreations then each table should have option to enable and edit OP menu.
    TPA has this option so i see no reason FX 3 shoudn't have this.
    Last edited by hitman12; 12-09-2018, 06:32 PM.

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  • cantankerous--
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    Originally posted by hitman12 View Post
    I don't understand why most of original tables are very easy and recreations are set on ultra hard mode,especially AFM
    If new Williams tables are going to be the same then definitely no buy for me.
    Make this tables playable for average people not pinball wizards or cyborgs!
    You pretty much answered your question. The Williams tables are recreations and as such are intended to be as faithful to the originals as possible.

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  • hitman12
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    I don't understand why most of original tables are very easy and recreations are set on ultra hard mode,especially AFM
    If new Williams tables are going to be the same then definitely no buy for me.
    Make this tables playable for average people not pinball wizards or cyborgs!
    Last edited by hitman12; 12-09-2018, 05:53 PM.

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  • fR33Styler
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    Pretty cool!!!!!!

    Now as the next upcomming:
    - Indiana Jones
    - Jurassic Park
    - Terminator2
    - Top Gun
    - Addams Family
    - GTA (Rockstargames)
    - Twin Peaks
    - The X-Files
    - Systemshock (Game)
    - Austin Powers

    And the world would be a dream

    Has anyone already Wheel Images for PinballX and this 3 great Tables?

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  • Vincent
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    Originally posted by Ben Logan View Post

    I do have one critique: The Zen Williams tables don't "blow up" the way a real pinball machine does in terms of lighting. Very underwhelming. When flashers fire on AFM, for example, that lighting should be transmitted to the cabinet walls, playfield and 3D objects. It's like darkness prevails on Zen tables. The light kinda "goes nowhere" beyond the confines of the insert bulb, flasher dome, etc. Let's see that lighting blow these tables up! Williams programmers really knew how to reward the player with a visually stimulating light show.
    Good point. Maybe when 4K/HDR becomes available we can have reality-like lighting effects...

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  • hitman12
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    Ball movement should be wild but predictable in this recreations i don't feel any control of the ball.Played for few days but for now i give up on this game,Zen originals don't interest me and this recreations need serious rework on ball physics and shots precision.TPA is ugly and has crappy physics but gives fun from gameplay and this is most important in videogame.Here i get no satisfaction,only dissapointment and frustration.
    Last edited by hitman12; 12-08-2018, 09:44 PM.

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  • Ben Logan
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    “The ball is wild” is a compliment in pinball

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  • cantankerous--
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    Originally posted by hitman12 View Post
    I think these recreations are made for f...ng pinball robocops.I know AFM very well,i've scored on this table easily over 40-50 billion on TPA and here on FX3 i play from the start of pack 2 and i can't get past 3-4 billions because i have absolutely no control on the ball.Read diiscusion thread on Steam and most of the people who played on real machines says gameplay and physics is very diffrerent than in real flippers,ball is too fast,too bouncy and ball movement is too random.Slowly i have enough of this recreations,i'm not interested in game where everything plays randomly and ball is moving where it likes.
    I'm not actually seeing the random ball movement that you speak of. I'm certainly not a robot and don't even claim to be good at the table seeing how I have friends who have doubled and tripled my best score of 51 billion without aid of powerups. If you play the Zen version long enough you will eventually figure out the shots not to take and which ones are safer and how to anticipate the rebound on missed shots. It's unfortunate that you are not having fun with the table. I find it very challenging and a refreshing change from some of the easier, slower tables and winning Ruler of the Universe a real reward I found myself cheering to.

    @Croftanator.........You did good man. Love it.

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  • hitman12
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    I think these recreations are made for f...ng pinball robocops.I know AFM very well,i've scored on this table easily over 40-50 billion on TPA and here on FX3 i play from the start of pack 2 and i can't get past 3-4 billions because i have absolutely no control on the ball.Read diiscusion thread on Steam and most of the people who played on real machines says gameplay and physics is very diffrerent than in real flippers,ball is too fast,too bouncy and ball movement is too random.Slowly i have enough of this recreations,i'm not interested in game where everything plays randomly and ball is moving where it likes.
    Last edited by hitman12; 12-08-2018, 06:04 PM.

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