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  1. No.Zen shouldn't censor any table on any...

    No.Zen shouldn't censor any table on any platform.Censoring pinball tables is just ridiculous and insulting.Insulting not only to the players but also to the original intent and creators of the...
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    Widely exceeding expectations may in reverse mean...

    Widely exceeding expectations may in reverse mean that Zen as of late has been widely not meeting expectations(sales) and that the move from Zen Originals towards Zen Williams was first and foremost...
  3. I hear ya.Censored Zen Williams tables alongside...

    I hear ya.Censored Zen Williams tables alongside Zen Originals is fine and welcome(well not the censored part).Censored Zen Williams instead of Zen Originals is absolutely not fine and absolutely not...
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    Yeah beyond the massive caveat that the tables...

    Yeah beyond the massive caveat that the tables are censored the Zen Williams tables are great, no doubt.Although i do hope they don't come with the sacrifice of the Zen Original tables.That would not...
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    Haha.Nice. Yeah that kid is doomed and i guess...

    Haha.Nice.

    Yeah that kid is doomed and i guess anyone who ever played an uncensored pinball table.Scratch that.Anyone who ever stepped outside the housedoor into the world must be doomed.Life can...
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    Williams Vol.4.On with the censorship: ...

    Williams Vol.4.On with the censorship:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wO4vNU0MQ&t=

    :mad:
  7. Sticky: I hear ya.I appreciate the simulation tables and...

    I hear ya.I appreciate the simulation tables and pinball diversity but as i feared the simulation tables just might be the beginning of the end of Zen as we knew and loved it.The censored simulation...
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    No sign of redemption for Zen so far.The...

    No sign of redemption for Zen so far.The censorship continues in Williams Vol.3:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2K9x9-Re0U
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    Next release might not be further (cens**ed)...

    Next release might not be further (cens**ed) Williams tables but a new Alien table(s)?!!!?!!!

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/04/11/alien-day-2019-is-approaching/

    I love the Alien franchise and...
  10. Yeah these would hold all sorts of great...

    Yeah these would hold all sorts of great opportunities!For me when it comes to licenses Indy remains the Holy Grail!


    I'm not sure whether who Zen is going to collaborate with is the most...
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    Yeah i hope Zen isn't stretching themselves too...

    Yeah i hope Zen isn't stretching themselves too thin.Zen Originals need to remain the foundation of the library.The emphasis towards Williams at the moment is too lopsided.
  12. Yup.That is very hypocritical.

    Yup.That is very hypocritical.
  13. Aside from the censorship issues the Williams...

    Aside from the censorship issues the Williams tables seriously suffer from i do very much enjoy the Williams tables and think they are a worthwhile addition to the library.But i can understand that...
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    Vol.3 is upon us.Let us see if that work is going...

    Vol.3 is upon us.Let us see if that work is going to be productive.
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    Censorship of Williams Vol.2: ...

    Censorship of Williams Vol.2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhYKNL1-9B8
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    That would be awesome and just.Would be cool if...

    That would be awesome and just.Would be cool if this situation is corrected by the time of the Williams Pack 3 release.
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    Yeah i think i hear ya.Living in a pseudo...

    Yeah i think i hear ya.Living in a pseudo politically correct age of candyasses where one can't even play a completely harmless pinball table uncensored.
    It doesn't really matter how Zen feels about...
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    You gotta point about the original artists not...

    You gotta point about the original artists not having a say so anymore.But just because you can (from the Zen pov) doesn't mean you should.
    And yeah where do you start and stop with the...
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    If that is your point of view, i'm fine with...

    If that is your point of view, i'm fine with it.Each to their own.In my opinion the censorship of those classic pinball tables is shameful and disrepectful.Disrespectful not only towards the audience...
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    Exposing the shameful and disrespectful Zen...

    Exposing the shameful and disrespectful Zen censorship of Williams Vol.1:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDR-5awGYrA
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    Where there's a will there's a way.I'm also...

    Where there's a will there's a way.I'm also doubtful of "in the future" statements but time will tell if Zen is willing enough.At the moment nothing concerning Williams Pinball is more important then...
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    Here's to hope.

    Here's to hope.
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    I agree.I would love to stand corrected but at...

    I agree.I would love to stand corrected but at the moment it seems like Zen is stalling for time with no genuine intention to ever release the tables uncensored beyond PC.The only effective way to...
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    Not so far. In other words.All other...

    Not so far.



    In other words.All other platforms remain censored. :mad:
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    Absolutely.If the customers don't care about...

    Absolutely.If the customers don't care about censorship or truthful recreation of the tables and if Zen doesn't care it is anyone's prerogative to say yes or no.I'm not holding it against anyone or...
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