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    Exclamation The "Score Booster" wizard power is far too strong and will harm the game

    (I originally posted this here on reddit, but it hasn't been acknowledged. I'm reposting here to try to make sure it gets seen, because I believe this is really important for the game's health)

    I was skeptical about FX3's "Upgrades" system, but after playing for a while I've decided I'm mostly fine with it. Almost all of the upgrades don't fundamentally change the game much at all and someone that's a better player should still generally end up with a higher score regardless of upgrades. However, there's one glaring exception to this: the Score Booster wizard power.

    The two other wizard powers (Slow Motion and Rewind) are well-designed. They allow some limited "skill enhancement" where you can be more careful about a tricky shot or fix a crucial mistake. This works great. It feels neat to do as a player but doesn't give a huge advantage - it was possible to get the exact same result without using the wizard power at all.

    However, Score Booster is completely different and makes it possible to get a massively higher score by simply knowing when you're about to get a large score bonus (due to finishing a main mission or something similar) and activating it just before. For example, finishing a mission on the Thor table gives 15,000,000 points. By activating Score Booster just before the bonus triggers, you get 30,000,000 instead.

    Unlike all of the other upgrades, this does fundamentally change the game and adds a new skill that's outside the normal way pinball plays. To get the highest scores possible, you now have to know when the largest score bonuses will occur, and be able to time your Score Booster usage so that you can use as little of it as possible on each bonus (so that you can use it as many times as possible).

    This is already a major issue, but it's even more problematic because the game includes time-limited modes. Someone using Score Booster will be able to achieve scores in those modes that are absolutely impossible for others to match unless they use it as well. There shouldn't be a "required" upgrade like that. This will have huge effects on leaderboards, tournaments, leagues, and even makes the challenges on every table far, far easier than they should be.

    I hope that you strongly consider replacing or removing this power while you're still near launch and the impact isn't widespread yet.

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    I think the counter argument to this is that by using the Score Booster, you're eliminating the need for a crutch or second chance.

    A 15 million double score to 30 million doesn't do you much good if you can only hit the shot in slow motion or a 2nd try, nor does it do any good if you drain all your balls before you you hit that mode anyways.

    Personally, I struggle with the controls for the Slow Motion and Score Boost. Don't like trying to press and hold Y while activating flippers. I tend to just use Rewind after a drain; that control mechanic isn't an issue there.
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    I'm playing classic mode....we all know where we stand. I've realised I can't be bothered to add the pressing of the button at the right time and regretting it when I don't.

    The passive abilities, points for distance travelled? Not sure why that is need TBH.

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    Im of the mindset that rewinding is totally gay and how hard is it to know when to push the button? You know when the points appear?? Thats when you push the button and get massive points. Do it.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    The obvious thing to do (and I realise I'm mis-using the word 'obvious' to make my argument look more convincing) would be to have the score booster clock run for a minimum time, say at least 1 second, every time it is pressed regardless of how quickly the button is released.

    But then you'd have to consider resetting high scores and we all know how well that is always received.


    FWIW, I expect I'll mainly be sticking to Classic and leaving the gimmicks for other people whom I try to pretend not to look at with disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietlyWrong View Post
    The obvious thing to do (and I realise I'm mis-using the word 'obvious' to make my argument look more convincing) would be to have the score booster clock run for a minimum time, say at least 1 second, every time it is pressed regardless of how quickly the button is released.

    But then you'd have to consider resetting high scores and we all know how well that is always received.


    FWIW, I expect I'll mainly be sticking to Classic and leaving the gimmicks for other people whom I try to pretend not to look at with disdain.
    Its a skill dude. Use it and learn to abuse it or simply go into tournaments where it is turned off all of which seems "obvious" and yes, I also used the word obvious to convey my point. Seriously, and Im not trying to be glib, it takes practice to just hit the triangle just as points are being awarded to maximise the effectiveness of the multiplyer without draining it. Practice makes perfect.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    I'll bear it in mind. To be honest it doesn't much bother me because I accept that I'll never approach the tops of the leaderboards. I just love the flipping game. But I can see other people's point; not so much that it's 'OP' so much that the balance between the three wizard powers may be so wonky as to leave two of them unused for most people. As you say, there are always tournaments with custom rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietlyWrong View Post
    I'll bear it in mind. To be honest it doesn't much bother me because I accept that I'll never approach the tops of the leaderboards. I just love the flipping game. But I can see other people's point; not so much that it's 'OP' so much that the balance between the three wizard powers may be so wonky as to leave two of them unused for most people. As you say, there are always tournaments with custom rules.
    I think the rewind and slow motion are stupid, but getting more points and it doesnt just happen by magic. You have to push the button at the exact right moment or do as you say and hold the button and deplete your ability to abuse it. It takes practice to tap it at the right moment. I can appreciate that, but the other two kind of suck. Im all about the points.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    Im of the mindset that rewinding is totally gay and how hard is it to know when to push the button? You know when the points appear?? Thats when you push the button and get massive points. Do it.
    Sort of doesn't feel like a skill of pinball in the same way, not so much that it's incredible difficult. I haven't used it so perhaps I'm looking at it wrong. I assumed it was one use, but it works for odd presses does it?

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    I just sent you a friend request, but it would not allow me because of your settings. You dont like friends? I only want to help you.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    I just sent you a friend request, but it would not allow me because of your settings. You dont like friends? I only want to help you.
    who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    who?
    cantankerous-- (that's two highens after cantankerous)
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    My bad, I actually sent it to quitelywrong, but will send you one now.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    Not even on ps4 with your name on here, so how did you think I was trying to add you? I want to, but without your psn name I cant.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    I just sent you a friend request, but it would not allow me because of your settings. You dont like friends? I only want to help you.
    No, I hate friends. :P

    Actuallly, that's not really much of a joke. That's why I like pinball. But I'll have to check my privacy settings next time I'm on my PS4. Might be on 'friends of friends only' which cuts out all the random spam.

    Just to be clear, the original poster of this thread was Deimos, not me; my 'solution' response was to that post. I'm one who's not bothered, I certainly don't feel the need for help. I'll be sticking to Classic most of the time I think, and getting my buzz by just chilling out and getting into the zone occasionally.

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    Oh and vaguely back on topic, I understand the appeal of score bonus and rewind but... Slow motion? Really? The whole key to learning the shots is learning the timing. If you use slow motion to make a shot, you'll only learn how to play it in slow motion... and what use is that to anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietlyWrong View Post
    Oh and vaguely back on topic, I understand the appeal of score bonus and rewind but... Slow motion? Really? The whole key to learning the shots is learning the timing. If you use slow motion to make a shot, you'll only learn how to play it in slow motion... and what use is that to anyone?
    I don't see how it differs that much. Score boost gives you a false score for your achievement. Rewind presumably corrects a mistake and slo mo gives you an edge in a crucial moment. There are plenty of modes that you need to complete on a table to obtain wizard so rather clear one with slo mo to save opening it and replaying.

    Doesn't mean you can't do the shot, I can do most shots but still miss often enough with a little bit of pressure piled on!

    But....I'm theorising. I'm playing classic! Except if they sort out Match ups a bit better then I'll use the skills if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietlyWrong View Post
    No, I hate friends. :P

    Actuallly, that's not really much of a joke. That's why I like pinball. But I'll have to check my privacy settings next time I'm on my PS4. Might be on 'friends of friends only' which cuts out all the random spam.

    Just to be clear, the original poster of this thread was Deimos, not me; my 'solution' response was to that post. I'm one who's not bothered, I certainly don't feel the need for help. I'll be sticking to Classic most of the time I think, and getting my buzz by just chilling out and getting into the zone occasionally.
    All I play is classic unless im in tournament mode where its necessary to live up to whatever they post. So, its absolutely necessary to do the trials and up your game and have the things we both hate, but if you want to be competitive in tournament you have to have those wizard powers.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    I always like these threads, a lot of balancing tweaks and changes can come from player feedback.

    We will filter your points into the discussion.

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    What I've found so far is that for the one-ball challenge, I tend to use the rewind wizard power because my reasoning is that I'll score more in the long run by being able to make a couple of miraculous saves, whereas for the other two - 5 minutes and survival, score booster is absolutely the only wizard power remotely worth considering. I wish it were easier to switch between the powers (i.e. if you start a mode up and forget to make that change you wanted before the table loads).


    Last night I was pondering the wizard powers that Zen didn't have time to put into the game for release.

    * Momentum freeze: all balls stop dead on the table, regardless of how fast they are or where they are. Gravity then naturally takes over as if nothing was unusual

    * Countdown freeze: the countdown clocks stop or slow to a crawl, giving you extra time to complete a mission, say, make a crucial combo or score a higher jackpot, or...

    * Nudge freely: while holding the wizard power (and reducing its clock) nudges are free from penalty.


    Considering I prefer classic play, I'm not sure where I'm even going with this.

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    In my opinion, the key to double score is knowing the values and triggers of high scores on the table and activating it there. However, I do agree that it should have limits, such as not affecting scores given that aren't given by a direct shot. I.E. The bouns given at the of Midnight Madness on Sorcerer's Lair. Seriously, if you know when those points trigger, you can break the table. Another thing that can theoretically be done is that double score and the final 30 second score boost stack in Matchup (having double score active in the last 30 seconds quadruples the points). I dunno if this is intended or not, but nerfing that may help a bit.

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    Distance traveled is kind of silly, but I found it useful the Survival Challenge on X-men. Most of the other bonuses were useless or even detrimental on that one

    As someone who would prefer to play Classic, but wants to unlock the collectibles, could it be changed to where that mode just upgrades the bonuses? Otherwise, I can’t get the stars needed to unlock the all of the pics
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    Theres a classic more for a reason - even ground for everyone though of course the playing field is not level in tournaments which allow score boost. I don't mind it really though you get a massive amount of time with it upgraded to get those whopper of scores. It's a casual mode though and should remain, like I said we've classic more for the hardcore.

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    I just hope more people come and play on classic...I'm far too high on some of the leaderboards!!! doesn't feel right

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    Quote Originally Posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    I just hope more people come and play on classic...I'm far too high on some of the leaderboards!!! doesn't feel right
    I currently have 2,350,000,000 on marvels women of champions and still on ball one with one extra ball waiting. Oh, on ball one if you break a billion it actually says 1 billion congratulations and on your first ball or something to that affect. I recorded it but it was playing two voice tracks at the same time. Didnt say anything at two billion.
    pssssst..........over here..........*In muffled voice* The secret, random word is water. Don't tell anyone.

    I was so very excited when I saw that my XP level had gone up to level 41 and then so very upset when Mc Lovin informed me that It looked like a glitch, but, hey guess what, I'm level 41 and the rest of you are only level 40 or less so suck it bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    I currently have 2,350,000,000 on marvels women of champions and still on ball one with one extra ball waiting. Oh, on ball one if you break a billion it actually says 1 billion congratulations and on your first ball or something to that affect. I recorded it but it was playing two voice tracks at the same time. Didnt say anything at two billion.
    Nice. It's cool that it gives some sort of acknowledgement for getting a billion on your first ball. Hopefully someday I'll have the skill to get that message myself.

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