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    Default Superscore / Wizard Score

    I still don´t get how this is calculated exactly.

    McLovin posted the last week:

    "Your wish is my command, here are how these are calculated:

    Superscore: Based on your standing on each table leaderboard you get a value between 0 and 1000. This is not a given, the score changes as does your position on a leaderboard. The superscore is all these values combined.

    Wizard score: The Superscore of your and your friends combined."


    I tried different modes but Single Player Classic, 1-Ball-Challenge, 5-Minute Challenge & Survival Mode seem to don´t affect the Superscore at all.

    So Superscore seems to be linked to the Single Player mode only. But if that is right, I can´t understand the calculation. We have 68 tables, so at the moment the highest possible score should be 68.000, but some guys have 130.000 and higher...

    I´m also confused about Wizard score. I have a lot of friends playing FX2 and now FX3 but my Wizard Score is pretty low. When I have a new highscore on a FX3 table that I haven´t played before my Wizard Score rises far more than my new highscore. Is it possible that my friend´s scores on a table only count, when I play this table for the first time?

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    It should be linked to Single-Player yes, the 'normal' mode not the classic one.

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    There were some issues with very huge wizard and super scores popping, maybe that's what you saw after games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLovin View Post
    It should be linked to Single-Player yes, the 'normal' mode not the classic one.

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    There were some issues with very huge wizard and super scores popping, maybe that's what you saw after games.
    You are right... There still seem to be a problem with glitched scores.

    On XOne the Top 100+ scores on the Superscore-Leaderboard are obviously glitched. The scores are incredibly high (130.000 M) and the players have a low rating (Level 1-3). Regarding to your calculation the maximum you can get at the moment should be 68.000 (1.000 on every table) and all the players that have a Superscore 20.000+ should have a player level of 40 because it takes some time to get there...

    The Wizardscore-Leaderboard seem to have the same problem.

    Is there a possibilty to fix this? If not it would be very unfortunate. A leaderboard with a good system to compare your effort with other players over all tables would be meaningless if the Top 100+ are occupied by users with glitched scores.

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    Is not it going to fix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinballVirtual-Victor View Post
    Is not it going to fix?
    The proscore (which was calculated like the superscore) on ZP2 for PS4 had the same problem with unrealisticly high top scores. They were there pretty much close to when ZP2 launched on PS4 and to my knowledge were never fixed in however many years. So, I really hope it's something they can fix but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't, as they seemed to be unable to fix similar issues in the past.

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    Hi guys, I've been informed that a fix should be out now from the server side of things.

    Look for changed scores now, they should be the right ones.

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    On PS4 these don't look very fixed to me.

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    The top 6 people on my friends list are ranked in the top 100 with around 6.207 million Superscore and then it drops to my next friend at rank #237 with 43,357. So I'd say that superscore is legit and all the millions are still wrong. This is as of just now, with all patches. 5:16pm CST on Nov. 8th.

    You guys have a bad habit of saying that you've fixed something, i.e. profile resets, ps4 error code ce-34878-0 application crashes, and now these wizard and superscores when, in reality, they aren't fixed at all or only partially fixed. It's ridiculous. Do you quality test this stuff at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyPurpose View Post
    These don't look very fixed to me.

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    The top 6 people on my friends list are ranked in the top 100 with around 6.207 million Superscore and then it drops to my next friend at rank #237 with 43,357. So I'd say that superscore is legit and all the millions are still wrong. This is as of just now, with all patches. 5:16pm CST on Nov. 8th.

    You guys have a bad habit of saying that you've fixed something, i.e. profile resets, ps4 error code ce-34878-0 application crashes, and now these wizard and superscores when, in reality, they aren't fixed at all or only partially fixed. It's ridiculous. Do you quality test this stuff at all?

    I can confirm that the problem is fixed on XOne.

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    how Can I fix this ? (ps4)

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    So today I learned how super score is "supposed" to be calculated.

    Why isn't classic part of it?? Or just grab whichever single player mode rank is highest and use that. Some players prefer to play classic mode, and some (me included), play tournaments in classic mode, typically putting up the big scores there.

    The term "super score" is now a bit misleading, since it doesn't even take your score into account, but your rank on the leaderboards. So maybe "Super Rank" is a better name for it. Infact I'd love to see a Super Rank, not based on a scale from 0-1000 per table, but actual rank number, so that the lower it is , the better. A sort of overall Ranking. An overall ranking would say a lot more of how skilled a player is. Please add that , and let the super score be based on scores, that way we can have the best of both ways.

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    I think we need a top level physicists like Stephen Hawking to help us figure this all out.
    Note: he's a close personal friend, I could hit him up on Skype and see what he says.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind-Blown View Post
    I think we need a top level physicists like Stephen Hawking to help us figure this all out.
    Note: he's a close personal friend, I could hit him up on Skype and see what he says.....
    But does his body allow him to compete competitively in pinball? *All said with a robotic non emotional robotic voice* Got nothing but love for the guy, but you either bring it or keep it at home.
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    I happen to be a physicist , but i was never interested in debugging pinball games, my research is focused on the Riemann zeta–function and some other mathematical problems at the moment.

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    Hey everyone, do you still see these? I've been informed we've fixed this from our side and the scores have been recalculated.

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    My Superscore :
    6,207,570,534

    Wizard Score :
    4,518,616M

    still not fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLovin View Post
    Hey everyone, do you still see these? I've been informed we've fixed this from our side and the scores have been recalculated.
    It's still not fixed. Why are you asking us? Does your studio not own any PS4 consoles? It's extremely easy to check and see if it's fixed. Boot up YOUR game on a PS4 and check the Superscore leaderboards. As long as there are scores above 68,000 then it's not fixed. I shouldn't need to explain this to you.

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    As far as I can tell, on the PS4 the first 230 or so top scores on the Superscore leaderboard are broken because they are in the millions. Which, according to your explanation of how superscores work, is not possible. If a single player had the high score on all 68 tables then they would be number 1 on the superscore leaderboard with 68,000 points. This isn't the rocket science that some people here seem to think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyPurpose View Post
    This isn't the rocket science that some people here seem to think it is.
    Um, er, der, If I multiply any number times the amount of give a fuck I no longer have knowing that at any given moment I might have to restart again I get the same as anyone else, which is to say, either just an arbitrary made up huge assed number that really means nothing and seemingly does not showcase your skill or a glitched one neither of which show you have done anything other than just played a lot. A true measure of ones pinball skill lies in how they place on the leaderboard scores on a specific table.

    I know this is something you are passionate about and I feel you, but its just a made up number that can be manipulated like any other number, I for example have already gotten back all my wizard powers on 7 different tables simply by selecting the one ball challenge and just hitting the triangle over and over and then letting the ball drain. They are just numbers that are easily manipulated and they are numbers that dont reflect ones true ability when it comes to actually playing pinball.
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    I'm seeing some very high Superscores and Wizard Scores, and they've been this way for ages. I'm only Level 14 and mine are 4,321 and 272,804 respectively. However my two friends that play FX3 the most (Levels 40 & 35) have Superscores of 8,684 & 6,140,497,360 and Wizard Scores of 869,743,530,279 and 1,486,001,736,648.

    Wizard Scores of 869 billion and 1.4 trillion... WTF? They seem pretty meaningless to me.

    PS. Hey Cantankerous 👍🙂
    Last edited by Topov81; 12-23-2017 at 10:28 PM.

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    I'm almost back to level 41 which is supposedly a glitch, yet exceeding 400 thousand xp still gives it to you and I'm close again after losing it once to a malfunction of my ps4 hardware and having to start all over again at 0, and yet my wizard score and superscores suck compared to my friends and really suck compared to leaderboards............................you know why? It's based on playing every single table and I really only play a table over and over and over again until I am in the top 5, plus I regularly work 12 hours a day and drive 45 minutes each direction to get to work and back. So, I play like 7 tables out of the 70 I own unless Im doing a match up and then I just play it to get the 5 points on each table for the 15 point diversity bonus and try to keep my score as low as possible so that next round if that table is included it will be easy to achieve. If you go out and knock out a homerun on a table during match up you will have to exceed that score each and every time it shows up again in match up and frankly, that is too hard to do every single time. I learned this from the beginning and now still trying to get my level 41 back, and like I said previously, these scores are just an enticement to purchase more tables, because without playing all you will be relegated to a minimal score. But, I say to those with these ridiculous scores, how many top 10 scores do you have? I have two number one scores and at least 10 in the top 10. These wizard scores and superscores are intended merely to sale more tables. I wouldnt even consider them as they do not show your true ability.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Seems odd to me that level 41 is supposedly a glitch.level41.jpg
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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