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    Hello!

    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    They've been in the game for months now and they're at the top of so many tables and challenges/modes.
    It’s just depressing

    Thanks in advance.
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    Once again, totally agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    Hello!

    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    They've been in the game for months now and they're at the top of so many tables and challenges/modes.
    It’s just depressing

    Thanks in advance.
    We have been asking for this forever.
    Accomplishments in real life

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    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Agreed

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    We did an investigation into cheating in Pinball FX3 last week if I'm correct and removed a couple of scores, seems like these guys slipped through the cracks.

    I'll get this info to the right people.

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    Could you guys give a few examples of challenges and tables you see them have cheat-like scores on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLovin View Post
    Could you guys give a few examples of challenges and tables you see them have cheat-like scores on?
    No worries. One correction, though: They are cheat scores, not cheat-like scores.

    Anyone with a moderate understanding of mathematics and statistics can easily see that these scores are not legit. It's more likely that these users are in fact Jim Morrison, 2Pac and Elvis and have submitted these scores via telepathy than scored them legitimately.

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703661983125504

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703758485602305

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703852534513666

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703945048317953

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704038191153152

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704124539359233

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704207620079616

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704299622137856

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704391594852352

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704484179890177

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704581097635846

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!
    Don't just remove the obvious fake scores. Remove all of these users' scores from all tables and modes, and ban any future scores from them. They make a mockery of your leaderboards.

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    Thanks for the hard work!
    There are many more but these examples should give you an idea of the magnitude.

    I'm with gaz5021.
    They've put up so many fake scores. They are dedicated cheaters.
    These players won't learn from their actions and become honest players.
    To get rid of them, you'll have to ban them from the leaderboards.
    If you don't, they'll be back in no time.
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    Here here, get rid of them - cheating is an absolute no no and makes a mockery of the rest of us.

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    It is curious though...................If they have the ability to cheat the scores why they do it so obviously?
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    It is curious though...................If they have the ability to cheat the scores why they do it so obviously?
    There's some pretty insane scores that don't look as obvious as well. Just look at Sorcerers Lairs 5 minute and Survial. You can't tell me someone is getting 53 billion on either of those modes. It's not even possible. Some of those other scores in the billions are also questionable as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech101 View Post
    There's some pretty insane scores that don't look as obvious as well. Just look at Sorcerers Lairs 5 minute and Survial. You can't tell me someone is getting 53 billion on either of those modes. It's not even possible. Some of those other scores in the billions are also questionable as well.
    Absolutely questionable and they all seem to be on steam.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Superscore normal on the xbox is also infectet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentanick View Post
    Superscore normal on the xbox is also infectet.
    I take it you mean dim007 and Grom both at level 1XP but at over double the normal Superscore. Very suspect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DepecheM101 View Post
    I take it you mean dim007 and Grom both at level 1XP but at over double the normal Superscore. Very suspect!
    I'm suspect of any scores with a level 1 user.

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    I've seen quite alot of cheat scores come and go from the top of Superscore but these two seem very persistent.

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    I can't understand why the Superscore leaderboard (regular, not classic), hasn't been cleaned up. The top 100 consists entirely of impossible scores in the multi-millions. I for one, would like to climb that leaderboard, but see no point when I realise that the maximum Superscore currently achievable, (an almost impossible 75,000 points) probably wouldn't get you a position close to the top 100. Please address this issue Zen, that particular leaderboard is in ruins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuttiDeLeon View Post
    I can't understand why the Superscore leaderboard (regular, not classic), hasn't been cleaned up. The top 100 consists entirely of impossible scores in the multi-millions. I for one, would like to climb that leaderboard, but see no point when I realise that the maximum Superscore currently achievable, (an almost impossible 75,000 points) probably wouldn't get you a position close to the top 100. Please address this issue Zen, that particular leaderboard is in ruins.
    I don't know what you are seeing but as far as I can see there is only the two suspect scores at the top of the regular superscore leaderboard previously mentioned and the classic superscore leaderboard looks fine. Without them two scores I would be top and my score is totally legit. I am on Xbox One.

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    I have no idea how that superscore works. I have like 5 number 1's and another 10 in the top 5 and I only have 11 thousand superscore ranked like 7400th. lol
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    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    I have no idea how that superscore works. I have like 5 number 1's and another 10 in the top 5 and I only have 11 thousand superscore ranked like 7400th. lol
    I've told you how it works lol. You first need to play all the tables. If there's 75 the max score you can get is 75,000. Any score over that are not legit. If you placed in the top 5 on all tables you would be looking at around 74,900 to 74,980 or so. We cant see PS4 so I'm gping to take a wild guess that a lot of scores are coming from there. As a Switch user I only see 2 scores like DepecheM101 said that need to be removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech101 View Post
    I've told you how it works lol. You first need to play all the tables. If there's 75 the max score you can get is 75,000. Any score over that are not legit. If you placed in the top 5 on all tables you would be looking at around 74,900 to 74,980 or so. We cant see PS4 so I'm gping to take a wild guess that a lot of scores are coming from there. As a Switch user I only see 2 scores like DepecheM101 said that need to be removed.
    Ok, thats the reason. I only play about 7 tables religiously and many of my number 1's are on the same tables in different modes. No big. I just play for fun anyway.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DepecheM101 View Post
    I don't know what you are seeing but as far as I can see there is only the two suspect scores at the top of the regular superscore leaderboard previously mentioned and the classic superscore leaderboard looks fine. Without them two scores I would be top and my score is totally legit. I am on Xbox One.
    Ah, I'm on PS4. The top 100 is absolutely horrible, full of bogus scores. The top 100 in Classic Superscore is completely legit...for now.

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    You can divide cheaters into subspecies…

    There are the one time only cheaters. They don’t care about the game. They install it once, set a few fake scores and leave the game behind. I guess they do it because they can.

    There are the kiddies. (If there’s a free table, level, whatever in a game, you’re bound to find them there.) For them, playing the game is just as much fun as cheating the game. I guess their motive is just teenage kicks

    You can’t stop the above cheaters unless you have a VAC ban system in place. The best thing you can do as a dev is keep a close eye on the boards and do a thorough clean-up every 6 months or so.

    And then there are the likes of kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    IRL, they’re the kind of guys that wear socks in their pants to impress. They just love to see their names up there. Both for themselves and for others to see. I guess it makes them feel special while it’s just sad & silly.

    However, these kind of cheaters infect the leaderboards to such a degree that players don’t bother with tables anymore because they know the top spots are unreachable anyway.

    IMO. A dev carries the responsibility towards its customer base to remove these cheaters as quickly as possible. The moment they are ‘unmasked’ basically. Which in this case, they sure are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    You can divide cheaters into subspecies…

    There are the one time only cheaters. They don’t care about the game. They install it once, set a few fake scores and leave the game behind. I guess they do it because they can.

    There are the kiddies. (If there’s a free table, level, whatever in a game, you’re bound to find them there.) For them, playing the game is just as much fun as cheating the game. I guess their motive is just teenage kicks

    You can’t stop the above cheaters unless you have a VAC ban system in place. The best thing you can do as a dev is keep a close eye on the boards and do a thorough clean-up every 6 months or so.

    And then there are the likes of kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    IRL, they’re the kind of guys that wear socks in their pants to impress. They just love to see their names up there. Both for themselves and for others to see. I guess it makes them feel special while it’s just sad & silly.

    However, these kind of cheaters infect the leaderboards to such a degree that players don’t bother with tables anymore because they know the top spots are unreachable anyway.

    IMO. A dev carries the responsibility towards its customer base to remove these cheaters as quickly as possible. The moment they are ‘unmasked’ basically. Which in this case, they sure are.
    Amen.

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    Knowing that hack tools are booming and it's easy to do, the best thing for all, players and developers, would be an anti-cheating system that monitorize changes in the process executed on the client machine.

    Of course it would generate more traffic on the servers, but with a system that every minute or two would perform checks, it could prevent the damage what cheaters makes.

    Really, it's so easy that even someone stupid enough to invent a score with a round number (like 400,000,000) is able to use the right programs...

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    Hello again,

    It’s been almost a month since I started this thread and almost four months since gaz5021 reported these 3 cheaters for the first time.

    It’s so obvious they are cheating, is there a reason you don’t want to remove their scores?
    Do the server managers have doubts and suspect our reports are fake?

    I don’t understand.
    Could you please explain what’s going on.

    Thanks!

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    Hey! Thanks for reporting this issue, we know about it. I will ask my colleagues what's going on with this.

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    @Chili

    Thank you.
    I appreciate it.

    I hope they'll be removed soon.
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    Hey MuddyWolf_Beta! My colleague checked those three users:
    1. Ardenwolfe - he didn't find him anymore, probably this users has been already removed.
    2. kthula666 - This case is interesting, because actually the scores he makes is not that impossible, and we currently cannot remove him immediately
    3. !!!!!! - my colleague didn't find him, but he will check it again

    If you can, please send us the which are the score boards where you see those unrealistic scores. It would help us a lot!

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili View Post
    Hey MuddyWolf_Beta! My colleague checked those three users:
    1. Ardenwolfe - he didn't find him anymore, probably this users has been already removed.
    2. kthula666 - This case is interesting, because actually the scores he makes is not that impossible, and we currently cannot remove him immediately
    3. !!!!!! - my colleague didn't find him, but he will check it again

    If you can, please send us the which are the score boards where you see those unrealistic scores. It would help us a lot!

    Thanks in advance!
    Its pretty obvious kthula666 is cheating. Look at the first 3 links Gaz posted above and all 3 scores end in 6 zeros. That's impossible and he's hacking in some way to do this.
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    I mostly play the 5 minute challenges in FX3 so I’ve listed their scores on those leaderboards but they are all over the place.

    I understand that at first it might look Kthulla666’s scores might be possible but check the last 6 digits of his scores.
    I don’t think I’ve ever finished a game with the last six digits being 000.000 by accident.
    He’s the opposite, he can’t seem to finish a game without having 000.000 as the last digits

    That’s mathematically impossible of course and that’s also how you recognise this particular cheat/trainer and why I’m so sure that he’s a cheater.

    The same goes for Ardenwolfe and !!!!!

    Okay. Here we go:


    Kthula666:

    El Dorado: 159.000.000
    Excalibur: 113.000.000
    V12: 164.000.000
    Tesla: 136.000.000
    Shaman: 178.000.000
    Sor. Lair: 223.000.000
    Mars: 214.000.000
    Paranormal: 139.000.000
    Biolab: 161.000.000
    Pasha: 235.000.000
    Rome: 219.000.000
    Secrets Of The Deep: 100.000.000
    Doctor Strange: 224.000.000
    Thor: 249.000.000
    Infinity Gauntlet: 469.000.000
    Blade: 176.000.000


    Ardenwolfe:

    Wild West Rampage: 230.000.000
    CastleStorm: 317.000.000
    Excalibur: 126.000.000
    Sor. Lair: 232.000.000
    Fantastic Four: 176.000.000
    Captain America: 230.000.000
    Doctor Strange: 239.000.000
    X-Men: 160.000.000
    Thor: 218.000.000
    Ghost Rider: 223.000.000
    Moon Knight: 307.000.000
    Portal: 279.000.000
    Walking Dead: 283.000.000


    !!!!!!

    V12: 187.000.000
    Iron Man: 193.000.000
    Deadpool: 228.000.000


    !!!!!! doesn’t play many 5 minute challenges but I’ve seen him on other boards (different challenges). He’s prominent too.

    The 000.000 cheat was the first cheat/trainer for FX3. There are of course new trainers out there that are harder to recognize. If you guys really want to keep the boards clean maybe you should talk with the Lup's Club. They know the tables very well and I see them on the leaderboards of all modes/challenges so they should know what’s possible.

    There are ‘probably’ also some bugged scores. For example, on Tesla, the number one 5 minute challenge high score is 403 million. That’s an impossible score. However, I’ve never seen the name of the player on other tables and his score doesn’t end in 000.000. So he/she deserves reasonable doubt imo. You still might want to remove the score and consider it a bug though because it breaks the table for high scorers. (It will never bettered. It can’t.)

    That’s it!
    I really hope you do something with the above info because it took me quite some time to compile

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    I mostly play the 5 minute challenges in FX3 so I’ve listed their scores on those leaderboards but they are all over the place.

    I understand that at first it might look Kthulla666’s scores might be possible but check the last 6 digits of his scores.
    I don’t think I’ve ever finished a game with the last six digits being 000.000 by accident.
    He’s the opposite, he can’t seem to finish a game without having 000.000 as the last digits

    That’s mathematically impossible of course and that’s also how you recognise this particular cheat/trainer and why I’m so sure that he’s a cheater.

    The same goes for Ardenwolfe and !!!!!

    Okay. Here we go:


    Kthula666:

    El Dorado: 159.000.000
    Excalibur: 113.000.000
    V12: 164.000.000
    Tesla: 136.000.000
    Shaman: 178.000.000
    Sor. Lair: 223.000.000
    Mars: 214.000.000
    Paranormal: 139.000.000
    Biolab: 161.000.000
    Pasha: 235.000.000
    Rome: 219.000.000
    Secrets Of The Deep: 100.000.000
    Doctor Strange: 224.000.000
    Thor: 249.000.000
    Infinity Gauntlet: 469.000.000
    Blade: 176.000.000


    Ardenwolfe:

    Wild West Rampage: 230.000.000
    CastleStorm: 317.000.000
    Excalibur: 126.000.000
    Sor. Lair: 232.000.000
    Fantastic Four: 176.000.000
    Captain America: 230.000.000
    Doctor Strange: 239.000.000
    X-Men: 160.000.000
    Thor: 218.000.000
    Ghost Rider: 223.000.000
    Moon Knight: 307.000.000
    Portal: 279.000.000
    Walking Dead: 283.000.000


    !!!!!!

    V12: 187.000.000
    Iron Man: 193.000.000
    Deadpool: 228.000.000


    !!!!!! doesn’t play many 5 minute challenges but I’ve seen him on other boards (different challenges). He’s prominent too.

    The 000.000 cheat was the first cheat/trainer for FX3. There are of course new trainers out there that are harder to recognize. If you guys really want to keep the boards clean maybe you should talk with the Lup's Club. They know the tables very well and I see them on the leaderboards of all modes/challenges so they should know what’s possible.

    There are ‘probably’ also some bugged scores. For example, on Tesla, the number one 5 minute challenge high score is 403 million. That’s an impossible score. However, I’ve never seen the name of the player on other tables and his score doesn’t end in 000.000. So he/she deserves reasonable doubt imo. You still might want to remove the score and consider it a bug though because it breaks the table for high scorers. (It will never bettered. It can’t.)

    That’s it!
    I really hope you do something with the above info because it took me quite some time to compile

    Thanks!
    You're my hero dude. Also, Single Player Superscore is full of hacked/glitched contributions, the entire top 100 is awash with impossible scores. Please look into this Zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuttiDeLeon View Post
    You're my hero dude. Also, Single Player Superscore is full of hacked/glitched contributions, the entire top 100 is awash with impossible scores. Please look into this Zen.
    You must be a PS4 user because as a Switch user I only see 2 scores that need to be removed.

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    Hey Guys! Yes, we understand it, these 6 zeros are quite unbelievable, we also realized that. However we have to be very careful who we remove, we have to find a very obvious clue that he is cheating. We also understand your frustration, currently we are working on a solution. Thanks for your patience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech101 View Post
    You must be a PS4 user because as a Switch user I only see 2 scores that need to be removed.
    Yes, we spoke on this earlier in the thread. I'm PS4 & the top 100 is an absolute mess, filled with impossible scores in the multi-millions. I imagine it goes further, but I can't scroll below position 100 to find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili View Post
    Hey Guys! Yes, we understand it, these 6 zeros are quite unbelievable, we also realized that. However we have to be very careful who we remove, we have to find a very obvious clue that he is cheating. We also understand your frustration, currently we are working on a solution. Thanks for your patience!
    We understand your position, but please don't be naive, those scores, (when you consider how many are registered by the same players), are impossible & absolute proof of shameless cheating.

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    Hi all!

    Concerning Kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!, I totally agree with my pinball friends here. I mean, it is possible to finish a game with a score finishing by 6 zeros but it's gonna be very very very rare. From my point of view, this is not suspicious, this is obvious that something is going wrong.

    On the other hand, I thought about something. It may be a personnal challenge you know, like trying to get round number by hitting one more bumper or one more slingshot, why not?! Doing this + being in the top 3 rank = whoa, that's quite an achievement! But I don't buy it. Here we are talking about the 5 minutes mode and there is no way that anyone could do this several times.

    Thanks MuddyWolf and great job collecting all these scores.

    Now, about the scores... I can't really give you my opinion cuz I don't play a lot of challenge mode yet so I don't know what is possible to do or not. Maybe Wims could tell you more but anyway, once we'll dig into that we'll share that with you.

    I just want to say that I understand why it could be so long before you clean the leaderboards of cheaters. You need to be very sure first. I must admit that I have no knowledge at all about what is it possible to do to prevent that but this subject is very important cuz you're one of the best pinball game on the market and pinball is mainly a competition game so if leaderboards are broken and not taken care of, you might loose players and/or new players and this would be very unfortunate.

    I hope I didn't make too much mistakes with my english and that my message is understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili View Post
    Hey Guys! Yes, we understand it, these 6 zeros are quite unbelievable, we also realized that. However we have to be very careful who we remove, we have to find a very obvious clue that he is cheating. We also understand your frustration, currently we are working on a solution. Thanks for your patience!
    Look, I’m a longtime fan of Pinball FX. I play the game, I visit the major forums, I record tutorial videos, etc. When I play, I’m a big child but in everyday life, I’m an adult.

    So please don’t take this the wrong way.
    I’m talking to you now as a representative of your company, not as a (probably) nice guy.

    I’m a customer and I’ve paid a lot of money for your product. You provide a competitive game with active leaderboards. It is your responsibility to act as an objective referee when it comes to fair play.

    If crystal clear evidence is provided of cheating, you should either act immediately by removing the cheaters or if technical issues prevent this, at least fully acknowledge them publicly once they are exposed.

    Because now you’re making a fool out of me.

    You talk casually about those last six zeros, you had also realized that, but in your previous post you asked me provide that exact evidence. Why, if you already understood what I was talking about, did you gave me homework and then come back with a one paragraph reply?

    In your post from yesterday, you write that you couldn’t find Ardenwolfe on the rankings. I give you 13 scores (and that’s just from the 5 minute challenges) and they’re almost all number one scores.

    How can you not know that and still state that you’re working on the issue?

    And how can you still talk about clues? You have rock solid evidence. What more do you possible need. DNA? Eyewitnesses? Sorry for the sarcasm but in this case, the cheating is that obvious. By brushing the evidence aside, you’re also brushing me aside.

    This is no way of dealing with your customers. This is just rude.

    Come on, you can do better than this Zen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    Look, I’m a longtime fan of Pinball FX. I play the game, I visit the major forums, I record tutorial videos, etc. When I play, I’m a big child but in everyday life, I’m an adult.

    So please don’t take this the wrong way.
    I’m talking to you now as a representative of your company, not as a (probably) nice guy.

    I’m a customer and I’ve paid a lot of money for your product. You provide a competitive game with active leaderboards. It is your responsibility to act as an objective referee when it comes to fair play.

    If crystal clear evidence is provided of cheating, you should either act immediately by removing the cheaters or if technical issues prevent this, at least fully acknowledge them publicly once they are exposed.

    Because now you’re making a fool out of me.

    You talk casually about those last six zeros, you had also realized that, but in your previous post you asked me provide that exact evidence. Why, if you already understood what I was talking about, did you gave me homework and then come back with a one paragraph reply?

    In your post from yesterday, you write that you couldn’t find Ardenwolfe on the rankings. I give you 13 scores (and that’s just from the 5 minute challenges) and they’re almost all number one scores.

    How can you not know that and still state that you’re working on the issue?

    And how can you still talk about clues? You have rock solid evidence. What more do you possible need. DNA? Eyewitnesses? Sorry for the sarcasm but in this case, the cheating is that obvious. By brushing the evidence aside, you’re also brushing me aside.

    This is no way of dealing with your customers. This is just rude.

    Come on, you can do better than this Zen.
    Excellent post that (I suspect) sums up how a lot of us feel. I'm number two behind kthula666 on the Infinity Gauntlet 5 minute challenge leaderboard. Seeing as how that obviously fake score (469,000,000) is the reason why I have to settle for second place is pretty aggravating to me, & I'm sure that many fellow fair minded community members who've been denied the top spot by a bogus score feel similarly cheated.

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    Tonight I was playing on the Deadpool table so I gave a try to the challenge mode 5 minutes & survival in order to see how many points it's possible to get with fully leveled upgrades.

    Here is the survival mode :

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    In this one, as you can see I managed to beat !!!!!! and kthula666. It is still possible to do better but there is not the question. The impossible thing is the 6 zeros. Check the leaderboards, nobody have 6 zeros except them.

    Now the 5 minutes mode :

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    This one is quite interesting cuz I know I could do a little bit better witch let me think that kthula666's score is possible to reach. My game was very precise and with some more luck I could even reach !!!!!! But I can tell you this is very very hard, so maybe I didn't use the right strategy but still, I think I did. And again, round numbers for !!!!!!, impossible.

    Well, I hope these informations will help you solving the problem.

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    Hey Guys! I had a meeting with my colleagues regarding this cheating case. The leaderboard is a quite sensitive matter, so as I told you before, we have to make serious decision, which takes more time to investigate. We would like to also investigate that how did they cheat, which is very important for us. We would like to make sure that we have a perfect solution for this. Thanks for your patience guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili View Post
    Hey Guys! I had a meeting with my colleagues regarding this cheating case. The leaderboard is a quite sensitive matter, so as I told you before, we have to make serious decision, which takes more time to investigate. We would like to also investigate that how did they cheat, which is very important for us. We would like to make sure that we have a perfect solution for this. Thanks for your patience guys!
    I am not invested in this, as my scores are no threat to anyone. However, I find this thread fascinating. And as chili says, would certainly be curious as to the "how" behind it. As awesome as this game is, the leaderboards make the awesomest game ever on top of a game that is already awesome. So I am glad they are taking it seriously.
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    Hey steven120566! Yes, we take it really seriously, it's a priority for us! We had a really long meeting about this.

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    I have a question for the server manager(s) - there was a 30 billion on top of Sorcerer’s Lair a while back, which was eventually deleted. I was curious about this score, because the name was “Hidden” and the level was “?”. My question is, was this confirmed to be a “cheat” score?

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    Is Zen not willing to answer my question, or not able to?

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    Arrgh! I had a 2nd place on one of the portal challenge modes behind one of these guys for ages and was waiting for him to be removed. Now someone else just took 2nd ahead of me. So if/when he gets banned, I'll have missed out on my little taste of 1st place. Awwww

    Also if someone knows their fake score is going to stay up for more than 6 months before anyone even talks about doing anything, then it's hardly an incentive not to cheat, is it?

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    Yo, Zen! I noticed another 30B+ score appeared on Sorcerer's Lair the other day, but it's gone already. Someone's removing scores and there must be a good reason, going by Chili's comments about having to be totally certain before deleting scores from the server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaz5021 View Post
    Yo, Zen! I noticed another 30B+ score appeared on Sorcerer's Lair the other day, but it's gone already. Someone's removing scores and there must be a good reason, going by Chili's comments about having to be totally certain before deleting scores from the server.
    Zen have been constantly removing fake scores from the Singleplayer Wizard & Superscore leaderboards lately on PS4. I've noticed the same guy (who keeps cycling his name & level) having his ludicrous scores removed, then he rapidly replaces them with new ones. Glad to see Zen making a concerted effort to keep the leaderboards as clean as they possibly can, & I hope this continues to be the case. I pity these cheats, they're beyond pathetic & I'll never understand their mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuttiDeLeon View Post
    Zen have been constantly removing fake scores from the Singleplayer Wizard & Superscore leaderboards lately on PS4. I've noticed the same guy (who keeps cycling his name & level) having his ludicrous scores removed, then he rapidly replaces them with new ones. Glad to see Zen making a concerted effort to keep the leaderboards as clean as they possibly can, & I hope this continues to be the case. I pity these cheats, they're beyond pathetic & I'll never understand their mindset.
    That's good news. I guess there are good reasons for Zen not wanting to discuss this in detail, too. As the developer, I'd be pretty pissed off with the shenanigans that have occurred on the leaderboards.

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    Default Mutifake Matchup is not Multiplayer ?

    I would like to also point out that Zen is using fake scores. These Matchup scores are an impossible low. How to be under 1,100 on Shamen table ?

    I had to try for a score under 1,100 and i didn't find a way.

    I thought it was a multiplayer matchup. Are the players fake too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollerrocker View Post
    I would like to also point out that Zen is using fake scores. These Matchup scores are an impossible low. How to be under 1,100 on Shamen table ?

    I had to try for a score under 1,100 and i didn't find a way.

    I thought it was a multiplayer matchup. Are the players fake too?
    Perhaps do a weak plunger shot, then tilt? (just a guess.) I hope Zen fix this mode, players are rewarded for keeping their scores very low, allowing unskilled participants to rake in 55 pts per game using this strategy...it urgently needs a rethink!

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    Hey guys! Thanks for reporting those issues. We appreciate it! I will inform our developers about it! This information is very important for us! Have a nice day!

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