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    Hello!

    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    They've been in the game for months now and they're at the top of so many tables and challenges/modes.
    It’s just depressing

    Thanks in advance.
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    Once again, totally agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    Hello!

    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    They've been in the game for months now and they're at the top of so many tables and challenges/modes.
    It’s just depressing

    Thanks in advance.
    We have been asking for this forever.
    Accomplishments in real life

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    Agreed

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    We did an investigation into cheating in Pinball FX3 last week if I'm correct and removed a couple of scores, seems like these guys slipped through the cracks.

    I'll get this info to the right people.

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    Could you guys give a few examples of challenges and tables you see them have cheat-like scores on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLovin View Post
    Could you guys give a few examples of challenges and tables you see them have cheat-like scores on?
    No worries. One correction, though: They are cheat scores, not cheat-like scores.

    Anyone with a moderate understanding of mathematics and statistics can easily see that these scores are not legit. It's more likely that these users are in fact Jim Morrison, 2Pac and Elvis and have submitted these scores via telepathy than scored them legitimately.

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703661983125504

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703758485602305

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703852534513666

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996703945048317953

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704038191153152

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704124539359233

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704207620079616

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704299622137856

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704391594852352

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704484179890177

    https://twitter.com/gaz5021_/status/996704581097635846

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    Could you kindly ask the guy/gal that keeps track of the leaderboard stats to remove the fake scores of the following cheaters: kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!
    Don't just remove the obvious fake scores. Remove all of these users' scores from all tables and modes, and ban any future scores from them. They make a mockery of your leaderboards.

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    Thanks for the hard work!
    There are many more but these examples should give you an idea of the magnitude.

    I'm with gaz5021.
    They've put up so many fake scores. They are dedicated cheaters.
    These players won't learn from their actions and become honest players.
    To get rid of them, you'll have to ban them from the leaderboards.
    If you don't, they'll be back in no time.
    Last edited by MuddyWolf_Beta; 05-16-2018 at 07:34 PM. Reason: water

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    Here here, get rid of them - cheating is an absolute no no and makes a mockery of the rest of us.

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    It is curious though...................If they have the ability to cheat the scores why they do it so obviously?
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    It is curious though...................If they have the ability to cheat the scores why they do it so obviously?
    There's some pretty insane scores that don't look as obvious as well. Just look at Sorcerers Lairs 5 minute and Survial. You can't tell me someone is getting 53 billion on either of those modes. It's not even possible. Some of those other scores in the billions are also questionable as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech101 View Post
    There's some pretty insane scores that don't look as obvious as well. Just look at Sorcerers Lairs 5 minute and Survial. You can't tell me someone is getting 53 billion on either of those modes. It's not even possible. Some of those other scores in the billions are also questionable as well.
    Absolutely questionable and they all seem to be on steam.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Superscore normal on the xbox is also infectet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentanick View Post
    Superscore normal on the xbox is also infectet.
    I take it you mean dim007 and Grom both at level 1XP but at over double the normal Superscore. Very suspect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DepecheM101 View Post
    I take it you mean dim007 and Grom both at level 1XP but at over double the normal Superscore. Very suspect!
    I'm suspect of any scores with a level 1 user.

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    I've seen quite alot of cheat scores come and go from the top of Superscore but these two seem very persistent.

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    I can't understand why the Superscore leaderboard (regular, not classic), hasn't been cleaned up. The top 100 consists entirely of impossible scores in the multi-millions. I for one, would like to climb that leaderboard, but see no point when I realise that the maximum Superscore currently achievable, (an almost impossible 75,000 points) probably wouldn't get you a position close to the top 100. Please address this issue Zen, that particular leaderboard is in ruins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuttiDeLeon View Post
    I can't understand why the Superscore leaderboard (regular, not classic), hasn't been cleaned up. The top 100 consists entirely of impossible scores in the multi-millions. I for one, would like to climb that leaderboard, but see no point when I realise that the maximum Superscore currently achievable, (an almost impossible 75,000 points) probably wouldn't get you a position close to the top 100. Please address this issue Zen, that particular leaderboard is in ruins.
    I don't know what you are seeing but as far as I can see there is only the two suspect scores at the top of the regular superscore leaderboard previously mentioned and the classic superscore leaderboard looks fine. Without them two scores I would be top and my score is totally legit. I am on Xbox One.

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    I have no idea how that superscore works. I have like 5 number 1's and another 10 in the top 5 and I only have 11 thousand superscore ranked like 7400th. lol
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    I have no idea how that superscore works. I have like 5 number 1's and another 10 in the top 5 and I only have 11 thousand superscore ranked like 7400th. lol
    I've told you how it works lol. You first need to play all the tables. If there's 75 the max score you can get is 75,000. Any score over that are not legit. If you placed in the top 5 on all tables you would be looking at around 74,900 to 74,980 or so. We cant see PS4 so I'm gping to take a wild guess that a lot of scores are coming from there. As a Switch user I only see 2 scores like DepecheM101 said that need to be removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech101 View Post
    I've told you how it works lol. You first need to play all the tables. If there's 75 the max score you can get is 75,000. Any score over that are not legit. If you placed in the top 5 on all tables you would be looking at around 74,900 to 74,980 or so. We cant see PS4 so I'm gping to take a wild guess that a lot of scores are coming from there. As a Switch user I only see 2 scores like DepecheM101 said that need to be removed.
    Ok, thats the reason. I only play about 7 tables religiously and many of my number 1's are on the same tables in different modes. No big. I just play for fun anyway.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DepecheM101 View Post
    I don't know what you are seeing but as far as I can see there is only the two suspect scores at the top of the regular superscore leaderboard previously mentioned and the classic superscore leaderboard looks fine. Without them two scores I would be top and my score is totally legit. I am on Xbox One.
    Ah, I'm on PS4. The top 100 is absolutely horrible, full of bogus scores. The top 100 in Classic Superscore is completely legit...for now.

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    You can divide cheaters into subspecies…

    There are the one time only cheaters. They don’t care about the game. They install it once, set a few fake scores and leave the game behind. I guess they do it because they can.

    There are the kiddies. (If there’s a free table, level, whatever in a game, you’re bound to find them there.) For them, playing the game is just as much fun as cheating the game. I guess their motive is just teenage kicks

    You can’t stop the above cheaters unless you have a VAC ban system in place. The best thing you can do as a dev is keep a close eye on the boards and do a thorough clean-up every 6 months or so.

    And then there are the likes of kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    IRL, they’re the kind of guys that wear socks in their pants to impress. They just love to see their names up there. Both for themselves and for others to see. I guess it makes them feel special while it’s just sad & silly.

    However, these kind of cheaters infect the leaderboards to such a degree that players don’t bother with tables anymore because they know the top spots are unreachable anyway.

    IMO. A dev carries the responsibility towards its customer base to remove these cheaters as quickly as possible. The moment they are ‘unmasked’ basically. Which in this case, they sure are.
    Last edited by MuddyWolf_Beta; 05-21-2018 at 10:09 PM. Reason: water

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWolf_Beta View Post
    You can divide cheaters into subspecies…

    There are the one time only cheaters. They don’t care about the game. They install it once, set a few fake scores and leave the game behind. I guess they do it because they can.

    There are the kiddies. (If there’s a free table, level, whatever in a game, you’re bound to find them there.) For them, playing the game is just as much fun as cheating the game. I guess their motive is just teenage kicks

    You can’t stop the above cheaters unless you have a VAC ban system in place. The best thing you can do as a dev is keep a close eye on the boards and do a thorough clean-up every 6 months or so.

    And then there are the likes of kthula666, Ardenwolfe and !!!!!!

    IRL, they’re the kind of guys that wear socks in their pants to impress. They just love to see their names up there. Both for themselves and for others to see. I guess it makes them feel special while it’s just sad & silly.

    However, these kind of cheaters infect the leaderboards to such a degree that players don’t bother with tables anymore because they know the top spots are unreachable anyway.

    IMO. A dev carries the responsibility towards its customer base to remove these cheaters as quickly as possible. The moment they are ‘unmasked’ basically. Which in this case, they sure are.
    Amen.

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    Knowing that hack tools are booming and it's easy to do, the best thing for all, players and developers, would be an anti-cheating system that monitorize changes in the process executed on the client machine.

    Of course it would generate more traffic on the servers, but with a system that every minute or two would perform checks, it could prevent the damage what cheaters makes.

    Really, it's so easy that even someone stupid enough to invent a score with a round number (like 400,000,000) is able to use the right programs...

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