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Thread: Battle of Mimban update 09.14. Friday - Scoreboard reset

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    Default Battle of Mimban update 09.14. Friday - Scoreboard reset

    Pinball FX Community,

    There is a bug in The Battle Mimban table that will be fixed on Friday, September 14.

    The nature of the bug is allowing players to achieve unreasonably high, incorrect scores.

    As a result, we plan to wipe the leaderboards when the bug fix is released, which will remove current scores for Single Player, Classic Single Player, Challenge and Weekly.

    No other table statuses will be affected, including achievements, local leaderboards, and running Mimban tournament scores.

    We apologize for this issue and hope you are all enjoying the new Star Wars™ Pinball: Solo Pack.

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    Dammit

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    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Oh well, it was too good to be true. At least it explains why a clueless player like me suddenly scored 1.500M points. At first I thought it had something to do with that Heavy Artillery achievement I got, but then I was able to (almost) repeat that score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainmaster View Post
    Oh well, it was too good to be true. At least it explains why a clueless player like me suddenly scored 1.500M points. At first I thought it had something to do with that Heavy Artillery achievement I got, but then I was able to (almost) repeat that score.
    The real sucky part is that these are possibly the 3 most boring tables Ive ever played and this one aspect (glitch) with massive points made this singular table out of the pack moderately fun.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    these are possibly the 3 most boring tables Ive ever played
    I think they are pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M!chel View Post
    I think they are pretty good.
    I'll maybe get in to them with time after learning them. I tend to think most tables are boring until Ive played them for weeks and learned how to spam the hell out of some aspect of them for points.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    I thought you only liked the Champions table 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosstime View Post
    I thought you only liked the Champions table ��
    I'm good at more than just Champions. I just like that one the best. lol
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    You guys removed the scores and fixed the point glitch but failed to alter anyones files if they were currently logged onto the game before the fix so anyone who was still playing during the fix is still able to ramp up the scores. I could have been a dick and just got every high score on that table, but only did one on survival to illustrate it. Remove my score and do it right please otherwise those reading this who were also still logged on will just do the same. After playing one game after seeing the scoreboard had been reset and guessing what had occured I closed application and restarted to see that indeed now the scoring on that table sucks and no one could just hit two billion easily like I did.

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    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    You guys removed the scores and fixed the point glitch but failed to alter anyones files if they were currently logged onto the game before the fix so anyone who was still playing during the fix is still able to ramp up the scores.

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    I was thinking the same thing after looking at the leaderboards and thought that was probably the cause of such high scores in such a short time frame.

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    I should have doubted they would care, not that they do, but just in case I should have just got all the high scores and then posted it to my community and had them all do it too just to ensure Zen would delete em all.

    PS. My opinion it was funner when the scores were higher and frankly, high scores would be given to everyone who played so changing the point value does nothing to the overall rankings as those who were good at exploiting it previously will just spam it now with just lower scores...............just the high scores were fun. JMO.
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    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    I wondered why there were suddenly 10+ scores that looked way too high *right* after the reset. This explains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blinky View Post
    I wondered why there were suddenly 10+ scores that looked way too high *right* after the reset. This explains it.
    Let's be honest, you saw my name and questioned for a second if it were possible. lol j/k
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Thanks for your understanding, those bumper were a bit high.

    Should be good now, and Classic was not reset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McLovin View Post
    Thanks for your understanding, those bumper were a bit high.

    Should be good now, and Classic was not reset.
    But did you remove the scores of players who had the table loaded in and were playing the same table at the time of leaderboard reset?. Also could Zen tell if the scores came from version 1 or version 2 of the table?.

    Am I just being over suspicious or are the current leaderboards legit ?. Maybe Cantankerous could shed more light on this as he knows that one of his scores is not legit and whether it has been removed yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DepecheM101 View Post
    But did you remove the scores of players who had the table loaded in and were playing the same table at the time of leaderboard reset?. Also could Zen tell if the scores came from version 1 or version 2 of the table?.

    Am I just being over suspicious or are the current leaderboards legit ?. Maybe Cantankerous could shed more light on this as he knows that one of his scores is not legit and whether it has been removed yet.
    On ps4 things are okay now unless someone has left their game on since the update and not installed the updated version, but I have a bogus score on the survival mode and see other bogus scores. They need to reset the scores again.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Agreed, they need to be reset again for fairness' sake.

    But then again, which scores are totally legit anyways? What's 'fair' and what's not?
    Can you exactly pinpoint the difference? Where does cheating start?
    By simply saving a game? Or by copying a save file? Or loading it because the old one got lost? Or got "lost"? Every action seems innocent enough in itself.
    Is spamming multiballs "fair"?
    Is banging back? In RL pinball tournaments it's banned.
    Possessing an analog controller? A bigger screen? A cabinet?
    Is simply dedicating more time to a game distorting competition?
    The more you go into detail, the difference between legit and non-legit scores becomes blurred, with many shades in between.
    I think you just cleverly stretched your scoring possibilities by playing at the exact right time... Sadly the non-tournament scores cannot be taken serious anyway.
    Basic discussion is needed, and has not been sufficiently or satisfyingly been tackled since.

    Public arcade pinball machines, being basically gambling machines, with all its monetary implications, are challenging by their very nature.
    Now home pinball is free of charge, taking away that kind of pressure when playing. And everyone can play pinball however they like. It's their own game after all.
    Yet still both arcade and home share the spirit of pinball, which is, in general, playing "well".
    Unfortunately, the only remaining measure for a "well played" game is that final score figure (unless you recorded it), just one single number to represent your whole effort, no matter how hard or cheap it came to be. We wouldn't even have enough time to check every full game, so the score must do.
    And that's why, when it comes to public leaderboards and tournaments, there need to be at least a very strict frame of rules in place to protect scores.
    If that's not provided, fun and serious sports is ruined. Then it's, yeah, one of *those* games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiggR22 View Post
    Agreed, they need to be reset again for fairness' sake.

    But then again, which scores are totally legit anyways? What's 'fair' and what's not?
    Can you exactly pinpoint the difference? Where does cheating start?
    By simply saving a game? Or by copying a save file? Or loading it because the old one got lost? Or got "lost"? Every action seems innocent enough in itself.
    Is spamming multiballs "fair"?
    Is banging back? In RL pinball tournaments it's banned.
    Possessing an analog controller? A bigger screen? A cabinet?
    Is simply dedicating more time to a game distorting competition?
    The more you go into detail, the difference between legit and non-legit scores becomes blurred, with many shades in between.
    I think you just cleverly stretched your scoring possibilities by playing at the exact right time... Sadly the non-tournament scores cannot be taken serious anyway.
    Basic discussion is needed, and has not been sufficiently or satisfyingly been tackled since.

    Public arcade pinball machines, being basically gambling machines, with all its monetary implications, are challenging by their very nature.
    Now home pinball is free of charge, taking away that kind of pressure when playing. And everyone can play pinball however they like. It's their own game after all.
    Yet still both arcade and home share the spirit of pinball, which is, in general, playing "well".
    Unfortunately, the only remaining measure for a "well played" game is that final score figure (unless you recorded it), just one single number to represent your whole effort, no matter how hard or cheap it came to be. We wouldn't even have enough time to check every full game, so the score must do.
    And that's why, when it comes to public leaderboards and tournaments, there need to be at least a very strict frame of rules in place to protect scores.
    If that's not provided, fun and serious sports is ruined. Then it's, yeah, one of *those* games.
    True, but you cant save on 5 minute or survival so I consider those scores, other than mine and the one on 5 minute (can't remember off hand the guys name) to have been done during the previous version and not scores that are currently achievable. I have a handful of #1's that I worked hard to get and lose and win back and so on and don't want to have questionable scores of mine posted that I did not work to achieve. Online, integrity is everything.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Did'nt read your post to it's entirety before responding. Bang backs are totally fair. In a real world situation bang backs depending on the severity can damage the machine, not so in the digital world. Spamming? Hell, ya, fair. Anything is fair short of modifying the leaderboards or your systems core files. If it can be achieved during game play its fair with the exception of loading saved games which I see as totally cheating. For one its disingenuous and another only those with ps+ can do it. Some of us will have advantages over others for whatever reason, skill, better controllers or monitors or maybe physical limitations, but that's the real world.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Hehe PS+ not even required. Any old USB stick with a few MB free space will totally do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiggR22 View Post
    Hehe PS+ not even required. Any old USB stick with a few MB free space will totally do.
    Oh, thought cloud save was required. I only ever did it once to see if it worked or not.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    I'm glad I'm at the low-end of the leaderboards, don't have to worry about my scores.
    just playin' to have fun, and be competitive with my small circle of XB1 friends...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    Did'nt read your post to it's entirety before responding. Bang backs are totally fair. In a real world situation bang backs depending on the severity can damage the machine, not so in the digital world. Spamming? Hell, ya, fair. Anything is fair short of modifying the leaderboards or your systems core files. If it can be achieved during game play its fair with the exception of loading saved games which I see as totally cheating. For one its disingenuous and another only those with ps+ can do it. Some of us will have advantages over others for whatever reason, skill, better controllers or monitors or maybe physical limitations, but that's the real world.
    You find loading saved games unfair? A lot of Zen's tables are so easy, I can play them for hours, which can be very draining & tiresome. This is in stark contrast to real tables, which are usually brutal, leading to short, but hopefully eventful & satisfying games. Why do you think it's unfair to save a digital pinball game? why must I sit rooted to the spot for ten hours straight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuttiDeLeon View Post
    You find loading saved games unfair? A lot of Zen's tables are so easy, I can play them for hours, which can be very draining & tiresome. This is in stark contrast to real tables, which are usually brutal, leading to short, but hopefully eventful & satisfying games. Why do you think it's unfair to save a digital pinball game? why must I sit rooted to the spot for ten hours straight?
    No, saving your game and continuing it is fair and I have high scores that have taken 12 hours to complete and saved multiple times. I'm talking about loading a save state which is different. It allows you to save your game in progress and then load that saved game. If you do bad, you just reload the previous save. If you do better you overwrite your previous save and you can basically do that forever without consequence. That is something I rarely talk openly about on this board, but I assume most know, but that is what I consider cheating.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    I played one game on a real life Bally space invaders table that took over two hours. It was in a club while I was in the Marines and I was drinking and needed to urinate often so I would either have someone hold down the flipper while I had the ball trapped or tape it to complete the game. Played asteroids for so long I would amass the maximum 10 free ships before running to the bathroom. Punch out had no way to save or any lengthy enough cut scenes and although I did over 300 matches the bathroom break was my downfall.
    Accomplishments in real life

    1. Rolled a star wars machine................ie played over 99 levels and rolled it back to level 1.
    2. Rolled Nintendo punch out, several times, same quarter.
    3. Played an entire game of dragons lair and completed it and won while blindfolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    No, saving your game and continuing it is fair and I have high scores that have taken 12 hours to complete and saved multiple times. I'm talking about loading a save state which is different. It allows you to save your game in progress and then load that saved game. If you do bad, you just reload the previous save. If you do better you overwrite your previous save and you can basically do that forever without consequence. That is something I rarely talk openly about on this board, but I assume most know, but that is what I consider cheating.
    Ah, my mistake. I actually didn't know of this scummy practice, doesn't surprise me one bit though.

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