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    Why is it the instructions on the tables are always only half useful?

    It's so important yet they are never that clear.

    sorry for the moan, but it's always been a bit of a pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by GruffMckenzie View Post
    Why is it the instructions on the tables are always only half useful?

    It's so important yet they are never that clear.

    sorry for the moan, but it's always been a bit of a pain
    Provide an example of a poorly written table guide please. I personally think they are mostly only supposed to provide the general specifics allowing you as the player to figure out a scoring technique.
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    Code:
    https://forum.zenstudios.com/showthread.php?17355-Official-Pinball-Table-Guides
    This should fix you up. If not i feel bad for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous-- View Post
    Provide an example of a poorly written table guide please. I personally think they are mostly only supposed to provide the general specifics allowing you as the player to figure out a scoring technique.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZREXMike View Post
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    https://forum.zenstudios.com/showthread.php?17355-Official-Pinball-Table-Guides
    This should fix you up. If not i feel bad for you.
    That's kinda the point!
    I use the guides already. They are great. The fact that there is a need for them in the first place suggests that the rules are none too explanatory.

    So by poorly written I mean "a general specific"

    In game I can't just flick to the rules and find the detailed explanation.

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    I've often wondered why Zen put so much love and care into every aspect of their tables except for this. It's like nobody can be remotely bothered with it. "Here's this absolutely wonderful game with a very deep rule-set, now you go figure out how to play it". It doesn't take much of a look at the Pinball Arcade rulesets to see how it needs to be done. Break it down into basic chunks and targets and then show how those are achieved. if they wanted to keep discoverable secrets from the players then that's still easily done.

    I recall getting the Bethesda tables when they dropped and ... not having a clue what to do with them. It's all very well saying "look at Shouryoko's guides but they aren't written for several months later. I don't personally want to be scrabbling around working out how these weird things unlock, I want to know what I'm shooting for and then try to achieve it. I did lose interest in these tables more quickly - at the time - thanks to that (and they are wonderful, wonderful tables). Just ... write a guide, dammit.

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    The screenshot with the blinking arrows give a lot of context to what’s written. Also, some terms may be more clear when you’ve played the table a couple of times.

    I’m happy that the table guides are short and to the point. For more detailed guides, there’s a lot to find online.

    I do think some information should be more up front like how to get an extra ball, kickbacks, skillshot and multiball. That should always be the info on the first slides. Some tables have like twenty slides and it takes me way too long to find the basic info I’m looking for.
    Last edited by DMR140; 07-25-2019 at 04:53 PM.

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    All I can say is I will keep trying to provide detailed guides for the tables as & when Zen Studios releases them. I do try to get them out quick as possible, but sometimes due to various circumstances delays are an inevitable outcome. As the tables become more & more complex, so to does the guides, in that I need to do more research and write out a lot more detail. The DVR (Digital Video Recording) capabilities of current generation consoles like the PS4 & Xbox One, has made the process faster for sure.

    In saying all this, most games nowadays don't even come with manuals & we need to search online for guides & what not.


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